I still wish that someone who’s supporting them (and claiming that Smashy didn’t distort their meaning) would provide the relevant quotes. Obviously, Smashy won’t do it any time soon.
Dr. Roberts (day or night she’ll be there any time at all) is a bit of a loon if she believes that ‘seeing angels’ is just a valid spiritual hallucination and that believing that angels don’t actually exist is a ‘materialist delusion’. It’s the poorest kind of junk science, labeling reason and epistemology “materialism” and alleging a valid ‘spiritual’ dynamic which remains untested and unproven. She claims that it is “circular” reasoning to realize that angels don’t exist and therefore anybody who thinks that they’re seeing angels really isn’t. Her problem evidently isn’t so much with psychology as it is the entire scientific method itself (unless it can be manhandled to produce clinical results showing that belief in angels is wise and disbelief in angels is delusion.
Its pure Lekattism.
The reason was that I caught Ivy at his (her?) games and then called him out.
Starting in post 139 Ivy alleged that Jack was "Nothing but hot air and pomposity. " and that Jack hadn’t provided any cites of Smashy’s bullshit in the GQ thread. However, Jack did. Evidently it really upset Ivy that someone had factually refuted Smashy’s idiocy (about aspartame and an evil conspiiiiiracy to keep stevia off the market)
Ivy has since played any number of games, like (perhaps accurately) claiming not to understand what Jack was saying. For the record, Jack never claimed that methanol wasn’t a metabolite of aspartame. What he actually did was compare it with trace amounts of formaldehyde which may exist in trace quantities in some vaccines but are dwarfed by natural formaldehyde production via metabolism in the human body.
Rather obviously, that was a statement that the same is true of metanol via aspartame as formadehyde via vaccines, that it was dwarfed by other sources. Jack was right, as sources like fruit juice cause a hell of a lot more methanol metabolites than soda does. Jack was objecting to the junk-science scaremongering as well as Smashy’s absurd claim that methanol in that context was ‘dangerous’. Ivy can not (or chooses not) to understand that.
Is should also be noted that Jack’s rebuttal was in response to Smashy’s original false-to-facts claim, namely that “aspartame breaks down into some very unpleasant and dangerous substances (such as methanol).” As Jack pointed out at the time, in context, the dose of methanol one gets from aspartame is not at all dangerous. The cite he provided went to that effect too, as it talked about the evidence that shows that using aspartame is 100% safe. IIRC one of the triad then tried to claim that all that (including my cites) wasn’t a refutation because they didn’t address methanol, only aspertame.
Of course, that too betrayed a shocking level of stupidity as the only way that the methanol in question would be dangerous would be, in context, the use of aspartame. And since that was shown to be safe, then its contextual metabolites were also shown to be safe. Not to mention that I provided a cite that the actual metabolite of methanol that can be dangerous in other contexts is actually cleared from the body fast enough not to be any problem at all when aspartame use is the cause.
After I posted five cites demonstrating that neither aspartame nor the methanol produced from it are any health risk, Ivy responded “TLDR” and then claimed that I was saying that methanol isn’t a metabolite of aspartame. When he was caught bullshitting on that count, he claimed that it was really Jack.
I think he lashed out at Jack because Jack showed that Smashy was a credophile schlock salesman trying to slip junk-science into GQ, and then Ivy decided to take the fight to me when I waded in. On that count, his reasons are quite substantiated: I showed he was behaving stupidly and was snarky about it. I can expect him to do his best to argue against me at that point. A much better question is why Ivy didn’t abandon his defense of the willfully ignorant schmuck who was shitting in GQ and instead started a fight with Jack for trying to clear up his ignorance.
Indeed, it takes all sorts.