That didn’t start off too promising, but then are we starting to see an iota of headway, there?
I guess I missed that in the handbook.
So are you saying the party is … silly?
Not even slightly, Mr. Bong.
I’m not even going to address these claims because I’m not going to get sucked into that conversation.
Except to say that when you keep repeating this point as if it means a damned thing and interjecting it in every conversation about political violence, you are being quite disingenuous about not supporting said call for violence.
I still think you should be banned, or at very least, warned for this behavior.
One thing that often gets lost sight of in these discussions is that fascism/racism are inherently violent philosophies. There may be fascists/racist who aren’t doing anything violent at this exact moment, but that doesn’t make them peaceful. To argue otherwise is like saying that the difference between a vegetarian and a cannibal is simply a matter of dietary preference.
I hope so. I am always a bit concerned about posts like this, in that they may not jinx it, but rather work its way out into the world and act as inspiration.
Yeah, this whole “We don’t want a fight, but if we did, we’d win, so you better stop making us mad by disagreeing with us.” thing doesn’t really come across as the peace loving position that the poster seems to think it is.
They are not inherently violent. There is no need for violence if the groups that they wish to remove from their society would just go away on their own. If any violence is used, it is their own fault for not just committing suicide.
I guess that’s why I see very little about Antifa in the news. The Proud Boys cut them off and nobody noticed.
Good. Now try saying that without mentioning the left.
I don’t think anybody who wants a civilized society would think leftists would win in a fight against rightists. I don’t know where you got the idea you needed to defend the violent strength of the rightists against human chains.
They’re pretty restrained once they run out of bullets, but they stock up on a lot of bullets, especially in Las Vegas hotel rooms. “Mindless progressive types?” So you do fear progress, just like we always thought.
Meaning left is all bad? You’re not exactly approaching this from an altruistic viewpoint. You act scary brainwashed. Stocking up for a race war, perhaps? Science is your enemy.
Sounds more like utter paranoia to me. Conservatives love to run over to the Libertarian niche whenever they realize their party is full of shit. Libertarians want less government by the way, as long as they can have police protection. They’d rather vacation in Ibiza than spend their dividends on guns and ammo.
Yes, we’re quite sure you’re trying to cover your ass by saying you’re not as bad as the Proud Boys, but you would defend yourself in a fight, if for some reason a leftist would resort to mass shooting or vehicular homicide. Tucker and Hannity have a good little drone in you.
Hey, he was the one whose lawsuit was tossed out. The aftermath of ridicule was inevitable. We didn’t decide out of the blue to pick on him.
Well said. This “but, but, but, THEY DO IT TOO”. Is horseshit of the highest level.
Since Trump supporters project so much, I find it very interesting that they claimed that the Clintons had a sex slave ring. Out of a pizza parlor basement restaurant that did not exist. Hmmm.
A real one with Jeff Epstein was discovered. Run by a friend of Trump.
Trump has had what, 22 accusations of sexual assault against him? Some by minors. Sort of like the ‘business’ that Epstein set up? Hmm.
Why, because you are a repetitive dishonest fool? Dishonesty, poor reading comprehension, and bullying children is a bad combo. And you should feel bad.
Liar.
I know! I feel terrible. 
You have a thousand worse aspects to your pathetic “personality” that feeling bad about lying about not commenting more on a thread where you literally blamed the murders by right wingers of innocent liberals on imagined leftists shouldn’t even come close to making you feel terrible. Feel terrible about blaming innocent victims of murder. Feel terrible about defending a political party that puts party above not just country, but also basic human decency. Feel terrible about being so incredibly ignorant that you’re willing to forgive real life murders because some entitled teenager had a drum played close to him. Feel terrible for being a waste of oxygen. No need to feel terrible about lying in an online thread when you’re a reprehensible human who excuses the murders of real, live people just for political gain.
And the right-wing side makes a lot more threats of violence, and actually commits far more and far worse acts of violence than the left-wing side does.
You need to be doing something about that on your side, instead of whining that the right-wing violence is really the left-wing side’s own fault. But I suppose that sort of whining is much easier and safer than confronting the armed violent faction on your side and telling them they shouldn’t be committing criminal violence.
Sure, if being far more aggressive and irrational and murderous—and having a far greater number of your fellow ideologues willing to join you in being aggressive and irrational and murderous—is what you call “winning”. I don’t call that much to boast of, but I suppose you have to make do with what you’ve got.
No. Refraining from committing criminal violence just because somebody else expresses an uncomplimentary opinion about your beliefs and ideology does not count as “being pretty restrained”. It is literally the bare minimum of civilized behavior that we expect from a rational law-abiding person in a free country.
What, you think if right-wingers manage not to assault someone just for calling them bigots, they deserve a cookie or something? Nonsense.
What political gain is there to be had with an audience of 14 or so people? Votes are going to change because I tsk tsk the bullying of teens? Votes are going to change because I advocate a point of view that the political violence that some on this board support is counterproductive? :dubious:
The hive’s tactic of misrepresentation and lying is well established but try honesty for a few seconds and explain the political gain that I supposedly seek and show where I have advocated violence for political speech. You can’t. Nor do you folks condemn the nuts that post here in support of political violence. Nasty people.
As soon as me, and others already, noticed that what you are doing is nutpicking, it follows that you are the one that is flailing around with little to offer.
Even in the first thread discussing this I reported that did not approve about the few that did so, so by your own standards you should apologize for using such a wide brush…
… not holding my breath for that one.
What you did was to explicitly excuse violence for political speech, based on the largely false allegation that the other guys started it:
You dishonestly implied that liberals in general consider political violence “acceptable and condoned”, which is not the case. Far more conservatives than liberals condone and commit political violence, and the acts of political violence on the conservative side have been far more destructive and murderous.
And then you revoltingly attempted to polish that turd of conservatives’ disproportionate and excessive tendency to criminal political violence by spinning it as a form of “excellence”. :rolleyes: You finished up by disingenuously suggesting that the murders committed by conservative political violence are some kind of impersonal “result”, and in a final burst of craven irresponsibility you tried to make it appear that the murderous political violence committed by conservatives (most often against people not engaged in violence at all) is somehow the fault of liberals.
We’re not the ones who are being dishonest here. If you are serious about discussing this issue, you need to begin by honestly admitting the fundamental fact that right-wingers in the US commit significantly more, and more destructive, political violence than left-wingers.
Antifa is a fucking irrelevant borderline myth that conservatives talk about to give each other hard-ons.
I have neighbors who have lost friends and family members in synagogue shootings, and have had my own community defaced by people with closets full of MAGA gear.
Those of you in this thread who insist “both sides do it” or maybe “what did the Jews in the synagogues expect, egging people on with their liberal ways?” are welcome to come up with the tortured logic that absolves your cohort from any notable wrongdoing, but here in the real world, actual people are being abused, mistreated, intimidated, and killed by Trump-inspired individuals.
My Trump-voting neighbors don’t know what it feels like to have Nazi symbology painted on the doors of their sacred spaces. Antifa!? Tell me another fucking joke, why doncha?
Antifa is absolutely real. I had seen this group when I was downtown during the NATO Summit years ago and actually knew a person really into it (friend of a friend of course). They engaged, threw rocks at the police and the CPD completely wrecked them. I am not condoning or approving any type of violence (Chimera!) and think it is all abhorrent. I am saying that actions have consequences and whether you’ve been in a street fight, boxing, a bar fight or any type of conflict, there is always someone bigger, better and faster than you. In this case, the right wing groups (not speaking of nazi’s and kkk type groups) absolutely will be the victors. Its not a badge of honor. It is reality.
Eonwe, That has absolutely no bearing in this conversation and is completely hyperbolic.
I am talking about people who fight at rallies for the most part, not psychotic individuals who go on murderous rampages. That is not Trump inspired. That is a piece of shit waiting for an opportunity or excuse to exercise being a piece of shit by killing innocents that have no influence whatsoever in their lives. That hit is not acceptable.
If you’re talking about the 2012 NATO Summit in Chicago, it’s kind of telling that you had to go back seven years for your example. (Your example also describes the antifa instigators as throwing rocks at armed police rather than unarmed protestors. While I completely condemn and abhor anybody’s deliberately starting fights even with armed police, what they did was obviously a good deal less brutal than deliberately beating up/stabbing/shooting/driving cars into unarmed demonstrators.)
Again, as with octopus’s remark about “excelling”, this attempt to spin criminal violence as a form of “victory” is more disgusting than persuasive. The fact that criminally violent right-wingers are more aggressive, more brutal, more murderous and far more numerous than criminally violent left-wingers does not make them “better”.
The vast majority of right-wing political violence isn’t taking place in the context of anything like a consensual “fair fight” with antifa throwing the first punch. Rather, it’s right-wing extremists attacking people who pose no physical threat to them. That’s not “victory” or being “bigger, better and faster”: that’s terrorism, plain and simple.
Well of course you are, because that comparatively very small part of right-wing political violence is the only part that you have even the tiniest chance of successfully blaming, even in part, on somebody else.
It’s inspired by the right-wing hateful extremism that glorifies Trump, and is stoked by Trump’s fearmongering and deceptive rhetoric of resentment. There is no meaningful way to look at modern right-wing hate isolated from Trump and Trumpism.