Holy shit. :rolleyes:
I know, I got attacked and didn’t patronize the person attacking me. Monstrous. :rolleyes:
When you openly admit that you don’t find black people competent and capable (as you do in this response to you with the face), then you shouldn’t be surprised when you’re characterized as someone who thinks black people are inferior.
I just finished talking about my youngest son, who I expect will get a very low score on the SAT or ACT if he even takes it at all. Do you think I consider him an inferior human being? If so, let me disabuse you of the notion right now. I most assuredly do not. Again, please read the link on Rawls if you want to understand where I am coming from.
BTW, she may not see it this way, but I submit that I am one of the very few non-black people you with the face will encounter in this life who will show her true respect in a debate setting if they know she is a black woman. An alt-righter will of course just spew misogyny and racial hatred.
But everyone from the center-right to the far left will operate under an unspoken but very patronizing rule: if a black woman rants at you about your whiteness, just take it. You can apologize if you want, but don’t fight back, whatever you do. I violated this rule and got a “holy shit” reaction. But she strikes me as someone who can handle herself and doesn’t need your or my kid gloves.
Why worry? Those white boys are dying anyway!
Yeah, SlackerInc’s … interest … in making podcasts, discussions, and media critic reviews safer spaces for sensitive white men is pretty laid out there, and given what he has laid out there it is understood why he perceives so much “sneering” at whites where others see little to none.
OTOH I am not so sure is is so
She did not maximize turnout like Obama did, but doing such was likely not a reasonable goal. She did about as well or better as anyone other than Obama and may have hit what is realistically not too far off from a non-Obama ceiling. I did not see her or her campaign ignoring minority voters. Sure better turnout, Obama level turnout, would be great, but relying on achieving it is risky.
If that is the case then continuing to do at least as well as she did is vital, do not do anything that deceases it, and minimally recapturing White voters who voted Obama is also required.
SlackerInc totally off the subject of the thread, but your eldest? Serious interest here because of my profession. I’ve usually worried about kids who do what you describe your kid having done before two. Most often they have not been the kids who grew up gifted but instead grew up exhibiting some autistic spectrum issues (it has been the kids with very advanced humor milestones when very young that have most consistently grown up gifted). Is he a well rounded and otherwise socially capable teen? I’d love to hear something to offset my concern about these toddlers when I see them. No obligation to share of course.
And more on the premise that Trump won on the strength of racists - 538 had a recent bit but is best discussed by going to the actual data they discuss (here).
Voters think that HRC would have been a better president than Trump by only a 47 to 44 margin. OTOH they think Obama was better by 56 to 37. This despite the fact that 538 notes - Obama and Clinton mostly shared the same policy space, “left of center but not super liberal”. This is NOT just nostalgia as Obama was viewed more favorably than his predecessor.
There are clearly white voters who connected better to Obama than to HRC independent of any policy positions taken and those people did not vote Trump out of racism (and I doubt out of sexism). Nor have they moved because of “sneering” on podcasts. His wins were with those votes as an important part of his total, along with unprecedented turnout by and share of minority groups.
I think people are complicated and often self-contradictory. Your words speak for themselves, and your words are what I was responding to. If you think people are constantly misunderstanding your message, then maybe the problem is in you and your messaging, not in those who keep characterizing it the same way.
But you are the possesser of all those strong white powerhouse genes of brilliance. Surely a negro such as myself should be incapable of throwing you off.
Thank you for showing us that when you feel mad, we can count on you to really let the white supremacy come out.
It is interesting to observe that SlackerInc simultaneously holds the beliefs that what he is doing showing respect to a Black woman, who he believes doesn’t need his (white) kid gloves, and that the rest of us should stand up to progressive bullies picking on sensitive white men with movie criticism and talk of white privilege.
Interesting.
You with the face, looks like I gave you too much credit to think you wouldn’t get all butthurt, and recognize the respect I gave you there. But I guess such a longtime experience of people following that unwritten rule made it jarring when I did not. I promise you, I showed you far more respect than the standard, implicitly patronizing approach does.
Yes, well stated on all counts. First, that blaming Hillary is highly unfair. It’s doubtful we will ever again see black turnout surpass white turnout. That was a unicorn.
And we do need some Trump voters back, which means we need some people who did a very bad and incredibly stupid thing. That’s politics.
I’m just starting to listen to a discussion about a book called “Uncivil Agreement” whose author has a Ph.D. in political science. Her research shows that people are more and more becoming hyperpartisan because they identify with a “team” of people like them, not for ideological reasons. Is that an intellectually respectable reason for partisan attachment? No, but it is a psychological/sociological reality.
Hence my repeated concern that the Democratic “club” be embracing of white men, including providing social proof that there are plenty of straight white guys in the party. My worry is that we could hit a “tipping point” where straight white guys feel awkward and out of place on the left, regardless of ideology. If that happens, and we get racial polarization like what already exists in Southern states (which are deep red despite having very high minority populations), then the “browning” of the population won’t save us from GOP hegemony in the short and medium term. (In the long run, it will depend on whether or not Latinos follow the pattern of Italian-Americans, increasingly see themselves as white, and stop being a huge ace in the hole for Democrats.)
This will especially be true if Republicans moderate at all—and of course they will have presidential candidates who are not as absurd and buffoonish as Trump, because how could they not?
If I’m an imperfect messenger to convey this message, then I really regret that—because I care deeply about it and I think this is crucially important.
I was going to spoiler box my response, because it did seem so off-topic. But then when looking for examples of his writing to convey something about him, I found his Facebook post from after the election, when he was only sixteen, that is absolutely on topic:
You will note there some things he and I disagree about, but I’m proud of him for being so articulate about his beliefs.
To answer your questions more directly, my wife is a high school special education teacher who specializes in autism. She does not believe he is on the spectrum. However, she does think he and I are both undiagnosed suffers of ADHD – inattentive variety. And I think she is likely correct.
He is nerdy, but he has friends and a good sense of humor (he and I love “Rick and Morty”). He was on the tennis team, and he is a film buff whose tastes run particularly towards the kinds of things smart young male film buffs like (I was once the same).
But my younger two children are most certainly squarely on the autism spectrum, and I think my wife and I would both say you shouldn’t be so concerned about such kids anyway. We both feel that if there were a magic pill that would “cure” their autism, we would not want them to take it, as we love their personalities just as they are.
ISWYDT, but I never said not to argue with a white guy if he says something you disagree with. I said we shouldn’t paint all white guys with the same brush, and we should call other people out when they do that. I don’t believe I have painted all black women with the same brush, have I? :dubious:
Yes it is. Apparently minorities just need to suck it up when white folks glibly analogize them to diaper-wearing kindergartners who can be assumed to be less intelligent that even mediocre white folks.
But let someone talk about the implications of the OP’s racism on his own credibility and ability to speak for the good of all liberals, and he’s being “attacked”.
No, the attack was your embrace of the “mediocre white man” meme. (You are also implicitly attacking my kindergarten son, whom I love dearly, by being so insulted by any association with him.)
What meme are you talking about?
Oh please.
So we’re back to your point of view being just obvious? If you haven’t noticed what SlackerInc has claimed to notice, you must be lying or playing dumb.
But I suppose while we’re on the subject of what’s obvious: do you not understand why being compared to a kindergartener can be insulting to an adult without casting aspersions on the kindergartener?
Earlier in the thread, Slacker posted about 20 tweets featuring "mediocre white man ", a page ago you with the face responsed to a post of mine featuring the phrase and she’s used variations of it in this very thread. Seems obvious to me she’s well aware of the meme so I’m not sure why she asked “what meme?”.
How dare you!
BTW, there’s no chance an intellectual black woman like you with the face has to work three times as hard to achieve career success on a par with inferior (“mediocre”) white men. Not that many years ago, this would have been true, and that was unfair. And even in 2018, she would run into a glass ceiling if she’s looking to join the one percent or become a state’s governor. Also unfair.
But if she wants to get on partner track at a high powered law firm, or become a tenured professor at a prestigious university, or nab a highly paid position at a think tank and make periodic TV appearances, the world is her oyster.