I’d let California go as long as they agreed to take all the liberals, Democrats, and illegal aliens from the Red states. The Red states could literally empty their jails and prisons. Welfare rolls would go down by 90% as well as crime. It would be like the good ole days when you could leave your door unlocked and your keys in your car. (Youngsters, that actually was the norm.)
We’re due for a big quake and we’re in the middle of a drought getting worse. We’ll need federal aid with all this. So forget it. Not happening.
I don’t know. Trump might. He’s such an unknown it’s hard to predict what he’d do.
I would remind you’ll that if you look at the political breakdown of California the only reason it goes blue is because of a few heavily populated costal cities. Land wise the vast majority of the territory is red. So I don’t think California will look the same or be nearly as potent as you all think after it has been west Virginiaed.
Yes they could. Civil War (I?) was precedent. How many divisions does CA have?
The “few” big cities is about two-thirds of the state’s population and about half the area. Any Republican-majority area of the state is going to be small in both population and area.
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I hope he would, assuming peaceful methods fail, of course. The President who isn’t willing to will preside over the end of the US.
Well fortunately the war will be a quick one, the power differential between the federal army and the California one will be much higher than it was between the union and the south. The constitution requires the government to ensure the countries citizens have a Republican form of government something that it couldn’t ensure if it lost jurisdiction.
What I don’t understand is why California would want to sacrifice so much of its supposed economic strength in order to act like a bunch of big babies about losing an election.
A big bady is someone who, upon a Democrat winning, spends the next 4-8 years stockpiling guns and ammo, joining the nearest anti-government gun militia and prepares for the coming revolution and cheering on whack jobs who seize and occupy federal buildings.
It turns out it’s not a crime. Who knew?
As long as each Californian promises to pay their share of the national debt (~$60,000 at this writing) before secession, I’m okay with it.
(Or the new Republic of California could assume the debt, I suppose. It would only be $2,038,000,000,000)
I’m pretty sure that any president would send in the military if a foreign country decided to seize land from America, that’s a major point of being a citizen is that the US government doesn’t let other governments decide your land is theirs. And (like I said in the other thread) yes, when you secede you become a foreign country, that’s what secession means.
If the US government decides not to protect the US against foreign governments seizing land, I don’t think the US would exactly last long as a country, and I don’t think any president wants to be the one responsible for that.
yes, but that doesn’t change what he said. one can also be a big baby by pouting and noisily taking your bat and ball and leaving.
Sure. There are a ton of dams. Glen Canyon and Hoover Dam are the two biggest I know of but there are a bunch more. Link.
Hoover supplies Las Vegas. Ignoring what Mexico gets* Nevada gets 4% of the water from the Colorado. AZ gets 38%. CA gets the rest thanks to the Colorado River Compact. CA leaves the nation and the compact goes away which means AZ and NV split the 68% CA presently takes.
Lake Powell fills back up, so does Lake Mead. Water prices in NV plunge.
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*I don’t know much about how the Colorado affects Mexico. In any case, if CA left the U.S. and the U.S. sent the water meant for Mexico down river and CA intercepted it, well a CA vs. Mexico war would be interesting. Especially once the U.S. military removes all the military equipment.
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I see the delusions of “soft Brexit” have infected “Calexit” as well.
When you decide that you’re no longer a state in the US you’re, you know, not actually a state any more. That means that you’re no longer a party to an interstate compact authorized by the US Congress and abjudicated by the US Supreme court since you’re no longer actually a state or under the US Congress and Supreme court, you’re a different country. As a foreign country, you’d need to form a treaty with the US, and it seems unlikely that the US that California is trying to or did unilaterally secede from will be inclined to give you a hugely favorable deal, especially since loyalist states disagree with the terms of the compact and have sued to change it in the past.
I think a lot of the Calexit fans here don’t have a firm grasp on what it means to secede; by definition if you secede you’re leaving the country so don’t get the benefits of being in that country any more, and anything you want requires treaties that are negotiated by the president and approved by the senate you just left. And you give up the influence in your former country that led to you getting 58% of the water; you’re not going to convince the US to give you the same deal that you were able to negotiate with 55 electoral votes, 53 representatives, and 2 senators when you drop down to zero electoral votes and zero congressmen.
Movies made in California are gong to become foreign films!
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As Panatastic notes, California is presently a state. If California were to secede, well it wouldn’t be a state anymore.
The Colorado River Compact is an agreement between seven states under an Interstate Compact which requires congressional approval.
For NV and AZ to enter in a similar agreement with California if California seceded, well, they couldn’t. If California was a separate country then any agreement would have to go through the Senate and the President.
Ya think the Republicans in the Senate and Trump will happily sign on to a water treaty with California after California secedes?
If California secedes, I will happily sell Californians water. At about $1,000 a gallon. And that will be a decent price. Seriously, if the Colorado is turned off Southern California stops dead as the Colorado accounts for 50% of the water used for farming and cities.
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