Mods, this is your show but, as the OP, you have my permission to shut this thread down. The droning is not really breaking any new ground.
I do appreciate the back and forth from all.
You are absolutely entitled to what appears to be a not very well informed opinion about a book you’ve not read and about what others have said about something someone has said on the subject.
Tell you what. Since neither of us knows much about it, let’s just drop the subject and save further embarrassment.
I don’t care if you answer, I care that you gave a shitty, misleading answer. They are campaigning for a whole hell of a lot more than ‘be kind’, something you very well know.
No I’m not. WTH are you talking about?
Is that a ‘no’, then?
You don’t know how much time M or any trans woman uses in the restroom. If M spends only 5 min in a stall, that is 5 min longer a pregnant woman might have to do the pee pee dance before losing her dignity. Maybe this doesn’t bother you, but as someone who has done the pee pee dance while pregnant (and lost control)…well, let’s just say your apathy has been duly noted. It’s example #3948 of men taking for granted the reproductive burden women carry.
Not every transman uses the men’s restroom, btw. If they are menstruating, a men’s restroom can pose more of inconvenience if there are few available stalls and no bins for throwing away used materials discreetly.
How do you suppose we prevent men from identifying as women? I’m interested in how you envision us letting in one kind of male person in without letting in the other. The honor system?
This is a trans woman. She looks just like a regular man to me. If she can claim a female identity, any man can.
…I’m not baiting you. I’m not trying to distract. I’ve provided an analogue. Lets go back to how this started.
I’ve bolded the relevant parts. The “I want to fight bigotry” is the bit that you are missing. It isn’t really about “saying dumb things.” Its about bigotry. Its why (excuse me for assuming your motives iiandyiii) the Bell Curve was invoked.
And your reply, later in the thread.
Its clear that you’ve missed the important part of the original reference. About fighting bigotry. iiandyiii responded:
Your response:
iiandyiii was originally talking about fighting bigotry, then talked about more diverse panels. You ignored that, focused on the “dumb” part and you replied only in that context. Three different people didn’t read your statement in that way but they read it in the context of “diverse panels” and “fighting bigotry”. And your statement, in that context, read as if “there aren’t enough marginalised people in the world that are interesting and qualified to speak at a seminar.” That isn’t what you intended to say. But it is how three of us originally read it.
Which is why I invoked Mein Kampf. To make the original “fight against bigotry” more clearer for you. I didn’t do it as a distraction, or to bait you.
The way you write “my methods” seems to me you have some kind of professional background in writing other people off or you have some personal stake in shutting others down. You sure spend alot of time on here going after others who disagree.
…what was misleading about it?
Of course I know that. I acknowledged that. I literally said that.
What I said:
What you heard:
What I further clarified:
What you then realized I meant:
So what are we talking about then?
I think the NAACP is a much better civil rights group with decades of experience fighting for racial justice. BLM started out as a decent motto (commitment to social and economic equality) but has turned into something crazy whom I cant see whom they are helping.
I guess NAACP doesnt look good on a logo painted on the street?
…your clarification is all about “people making mistakes.” Which is precisely my point. It says nothing about bigotry. Its not about “digging something up.” It isn’t about people “saying something they disagree with.” Its about bigotry. And arguing that “The Bell Curve made some good points” is a giant red flashing light.
You still don’t get it. There is a difference between “making a dumb. youthful mistake” and arguing that The Bell Curve or Mein Kampf “made some good points.” You’ve conflated the two.
Lets forget about the Bell Curve or Mein Kampf: if you have a potential speaker who is entertaining, clever, the smartest man in the room, but also happens to be racist as fuck, are you obligated to book him just because he really really knows his stuff?
I’m already considering alternatives, and most of them, rhetorically speaking, I’m in favor of. The consideration of alternatives never stops.
These are all problems, real or imagined, that can be addressed as problems without denying people the identity they most identify with.
I do enjoy arguing on the internet! You got me pegged there. I’m not sure why this is interesting for this conversation, though.
So your basically saying the problem was they didnt stand outside and cheer them on or salute them or something?
Dang, how DARE they?
This reminds me so much of old movies where Hitler Youth were marching thru city streets and those people who didnt immediately stand up and give the nazi salute were removed.
Mark my words people will soon be required to have special signs in there yards or there house and those not complying will get egged or vandalized and the left will be telling us that they are nazis or fascists and deserve it.
This was originally directed to @Ascenray, but I think this is applicable to your question:
This thread has done some interesting things – it’s brought @urbanredneck2 together with @DemonTree and @YWTF! That’s pretty remarkable.
I consider that to be progress for @urbanredneck2. 
Considering that the honor system is exactly how we have always prevented men from going into the women’s room, let’s continue doing that.
And you are darn good at it. You write better than I do and are good at defending your points. You must also keep careful notes and files on everyone to because you are always so quick to point out whatever we posted.