Hopefully in 2017, 2018 at the latest.
This is the big one I’m scared about with Trump’s Red Coalition. I support Heller and Citizen’s United, but Roe is big and I don’t want it overturned. And there’s always Obergefell to consider. 
In my view, Roe is poor decisional law.
Many people on this board, and in real life, seem utterly incapable of separating the two.
But just as I would favor (from a results standpoint) a federal law banning abortion, I would oppose it as an overreach of federal legislative power. Federal power is supreme but enumerated; state power is plenary. This is federalism 101.
By the same token, you might favor the results Roe provides, but can you really say it’s a solidly reasoned and grounded case? The US Constitution’s text compels the conclusion that abortion in the first trimester is a protected right under the penumbras and emanations of the First, Fourth, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments?
So? Women have the right to bodily autonomy as much as men. It is/will be wrong to infringe on that no matter what the Constitution says.
And the Constitution definitely makes it clear that there are more rights than just those that are enumerated. Even if everyone has ignored that part since day one. Frankly I’d like to see the Court acknowledge many, many more rights, rather than interpreting the ones we have into nothing and ignoring the rest. What do we have left? The first and second amendments? How long until Trump and co. eviscerate the first?
How do you know what is in his heart? Many contradictory things have come out of his mouth, but his only thing we know for certain when he speaks is that he is saying whatever it takes to get what he wants.
Remember the Mann act? How about a law making it illegal to cross a state line for the purpose of securing an abortion. I think that would be perfectly constitutional and fighting it out would very possibly lead to a final reversal of Roe v. Wade. Such a law would leave it up to individual states to regulate abortions however they want.
Just for the record, I am strongly pro-choice, but I still think that Roe v. Wade was a poorly argued decision. I thought that at the time and still do. Much better to continue the fight even on a state by state basis and finally win it legitimately.
Does anyone know where Trump stands on pot? If he allows the DEA off the leash, they will go after all the recreational and even medicinal uses. Compare their refusal to even move mj off schedule 1, so they still maintain it has no medical usage.
Do you think there will be any real effort to preserve the right to an abortion when the push to overturn Roe v. Wade is made?
Personally, I think any such protections will go the way of the supposed replacement for Obamacare-the round file.
He’s gone back and forth on drugs in general but he’s kinda in favor of medical.
I hate that the GOP’s bullshit blocking of Obama’s Supreme Court justice is going to actually work. That’s the worst part of this.
And if there’s ever a Democratic president again (might take decades, honestly), they’re going to pull the same shit, even if a justice dies day 1 of D-prez’s first term. They know they never have to concede anything ever again now.
I’m kinda hoping if we ever get another Dem president again, they just veto everything. Every single fucking thing. How do you like it, fuckers? But that would take balls, which only Republicans have, apparently.
Obama should actually have done that this year in order to get his nominee approved, or at least heard. But nada. Guess the Supreme Court isn’t that important, right?
The Constitution ALSO makes it abundantly clear that the unenumerated rights are reserved to the states and the people.
The individual states can regulate abortion, because the Constitution does not explicitly prohibit that. The federal government does NOT have the power to regulate abortion, because the Constitution does not explicitly allow it.
If overturning Roe v Wade is beneficial for Trump, then he will take steps to make it happen.
If it is not beneficial for Trump, then he will ignore it.
Simple, really. You can apply this to anything going forward for the next 4 years at least. Trump will use the office entirely for his own benefit - nothing more nor less.
I don’t think that Christians who voted for Donald Trump because of abortion care.
I don’t believe that at his core, he really cares about abortion issues at all. But he knows who his supporters are, and they care about it, so he will appease them on the issue. As will the rest of the unstoppable Republican machine. After it’s overturned, you better believe they will have that bill for a federal blanket abortion ban ready to go and passed through the very next day with no resistance.
This is something that was bugging me last night as the evening wore on and people started to get more and more despondent…
Many people have criticized Trump for being a lying liar who lies, pointing out that he said any number of things during the campaign that directly contradict past statements - then they point out how horrible life will be when Trump does all the things he’s just promised to do if he gets elected.
How can he be a liar in one breath, and expected to follow through on his promises in the next?
For some reason, “don’t worry, Trump is such a liar, he probably won’t do anything he promised to do” does not fill me with warmth and confidence.
That’s actually one of my main worries; Nobody really knows what the fuck he’s going to do. Thus my only guideline of - “If it benefits him personally, he’ll probably do it.”
I’m with you on this…it just struck me as a logical inconsistency on the part of the people expressing such opinions.
I don’t think so… but the truth is that it’s possible, and I know it, and it’s one of the reasons I did not vote for Trump. I would strongly oppose this action.
The right of a man to “chastise” his wife held out into the mid-Victorian period in some areas. Spousal rape wasn’t made illegal until the 1980’s in most states (North Carolina held out until 1993). There are still states that treat it as a lesser crime.