So how old does the kid have to be before you tell it about the affair?

[Hey Mama, folk say that Papa was never much on thinking.
Spent most of his time chasing women and drinking.
Mama, I’m depending on you to tell me the truth.

Mama looked up with a tear in her eye and said,
"Son, Papa was a rolling stone.](Papa Was a Rollin' Stone - Wikipedia)

If it’s a big enough part of the family dynamic to be noticed by others and commented on by them then the parent(s) should address it before the neighborhood kids do. The exact age will depend on the circumstances. If it was an isolated incident years ago without much public fanfare and has never been repeated, let bygones be bygones.

Enjoy,
Steven

I’m going to go with ‘never’. I’m almost thirty and I’d lose a great deal of respect for my mother/father if I knew for certain one of them had had an affair. There’s no reason I need to know that. It’s between them, and as long as it doesn’t affect the present or the future, I don’t care about the past.

I can see this, but I did notice that you prefaced this with an “if.” Does this mean if it is a more private affair that no one else knows or is gossiping about, that the kid should not be informed?

I suppose my answer has shifted from “never” to “almost never.” There could be a situation where the parents would have to talk to the kid about it, but I still think if the parents are going to stay together, and mom, the dad and the other person are the only ones who know about the affair, it should stay that way.

Never. I can’t imagine a good reason to tell even an adult child. Your children shouldn’t be your confidantes.

Another vote for never.

One parent should never badmouth about the other parent to the kid (even if it’s true). It’s just the wrong thing to do. Anyone who does it just cheapens themselves.

If it’s about yourself - it’s oversharing and anyone who does that just cheapens themselves. (I guess my message is don’t cheapen yourself to your kid!)

If the parents together are mature about it (regardless of whether they are staying together or splitting up) it’s not a pertinent piece of information for the kid.

Example: If staying together - go ahead and have a sit-down talk to say, “you’ve probably noticed things have been weird around here. Well, it’s not anything you did (kids need that reassurance), and we’re going to really try to get better.” See, no details!

My family is old-school Southern eccentric combined with questionable morals and thrill-seeking sprinkled around. I started learning about things at a very young age and it got worse as a teenager. I have still found out about new things as an adult like hidden (black) family lines. My parents and grandparents told me about all kinds of bizarre stuff that they and other other family members did. I always thought it was interesting and I have become basically shock-proof because of that type of thing. The main problem is that I have an excellent long-term memory and I sometimes slip up and mention things just to the person that told me even if it was 25 years before. They often go :eek: and ask me how I know those things which, of course, they once told me even as a child. If there is a category of strange things that I don’t know about, I can’t imagine it other than serial killing.

I can’t say that none of it didn’t affect me but I was never destroyed by news of affairs or anything else either. I even saw some of it in person. Now, I just think about it all as an interesting part of family history.

I’m 52, and I never, ever need to hear any of this kind of information from my mom or about my dad. In their case, I don’t think it was ever an issue, and that’s why knowing that information would be totally not necessary. If they successfully kept any hint of it secret this long, it can go to the grave with them.

However.

My kids know that their father had affairs. They don’t know details or names, except of the last one, the woman he left us for, but they know that she wasn’t his only transgression. They were 10 and 12 when they found out about the final affair, and a bit older when I told them the bare fact that there had been other instances before that. I can’t even remember how the discussion came about. But they were never under any desire to have him come back, and they were sort of vindicated in their feelings about him by knowing. Does that make sense? It just clarified to them that he had never been interested in being a family man, that it wasn’t them, but his character.

I can see how it could come up.

If the kids know something is up, I think it’s better to lay it out than to let them spin scenarios in their head.

It’s one thing if the affair is a quiet thing that is resolved and doesn’t really affect anyone more than the people involved. It’s another if the family is whispering, people are taking sides, Dad’s suddenly getting the cold shoulder at Christmas dinner, etc. Kids notice this stuff, and they deserve an explanation even if it is unpleasant. This stuff affects their lives, and they deserve to know what is going on.

Growing up in a family with these kinds of problems is bad. But growing up in a family with these kinds of problems that refuses to talk about them is worse. I’ve read enough memoirs to know that family secrets do come out and it hurts the whole family more and more the longer it goes on.

But then, my family never led me to believe they were superhuman bastions of stability. My family is made of people- people who sometimes have affairs or addictions or money problems or just plain make bad choices. But they all let me know that despite it all they loved me and I would always be taken care of. I think that is good policy.

I’d go for early. It’s better to give the kids the facts before they think they know everything & get ideologically rigid. So assuming they’re still that young, preteen years is maybe better than teen years.

Or is it better to let them get rigid, then spring the news on them so they learn to doubt?

Oh, well, Your Mileage WILL Vary.

Wait, I misread this as post-breakup. [thinks] Early 20’s. :smiley:

Or whenever, but teen years are rough enough without telling your kids that you’re a slut.

Wait, I misread this as confessing your own pecadillos. Um…Oh, well, Your Mileage WILL Vary.

I really like Shagnasty’s & even sven’s posts. I was born out of wedlock, & I kind of wish my mom had been a little more honest about her sex life with me. I do appreciate getting to talk to my (bio-)dad about stuff.

I’m all for never lying to a kid. That said, if the kid never asks, why would you bring up something bad about the child’s parent that can only hurt the child’s relationship with one or both parents? This is not “honestly” or “telling the truth”, this is “getting even, and hoping it doesn’t backlash on me”.

The idea of Mom telling me, “Your Dad once had an affair on me,” strikes me as more about wanting me to be mad at Dad and sympathetic to Mom than giving me information. Not cool. Seriously whack, in fact. Do Not Do This.

I think my sisters-in-law were left to figure it out themselves. I could see the gears clicking in their heads the day they met their half-brother and, in the course of normal kid’s conversation, established his birthdate - there was a scant six months between youngest SIL and the half-brother.

I’m 20 years old and I just found out about one my dad had this year… and in the course of the shouting and blaming matches that followed, it came out that they’ve both had others. My mom cheated with the father of my sister’s former best friend when my sister was only 8 (she’s 16 now). My sister just thought the kid found new friends. Turns out we weren’t allowed to be there anymore! Yeah, could’ve lived my whole life not knowing that.

They claim they’re trying to work it out but he’s living with a family member and she’s trying to support the home on her part-time income - plus my little sister’s waitressing tips! I’m away at college but hearing updates constantly, and my poor sis is living in the middle of this.

I’m gonna go with never. If they wanted to fix it, what good does it do for us to know (especially all the old dirt)?
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What I’m getting from you, and a few others in this thread, is that it should be brought up if there are going to be noticeable changes in the kid’s life. The changes can be a major as a divorce, or smaller things like people suddenly behaving awkwardly at the dinner table. In those cases, it’s best to have a sit down with the child and explain what’s going on. I can see that, and I agree. Then again, Icarus mentioned there’s a detail-free way to bring up the topic with your kid as well.

But not every affair is a banging-the-neighbor’s-wife scenario that everybody knows about. A lot are private, not discovered through grapevine gossip, but by suspicions being aroused by the usual suspects: suddenly peculiar work hours, changes in behavior, and the like. And when you start looking for confirmation of your suspicions, you find it, and now it’s out there between the parent of your child and you. An affair has happened/is happening. You don’t know the other person, your neighbors don’t know the other person, and they certainly don’t know about the affair. You’re pissed off and feel betrayed (understandably), but you’ve both decided to stay together. Why tell the kid?

Step 1) Confrontation. Step 2) Decision to stay together. Step 3) Tell the kid(s)?

I’m just having a hard time wrapping my head around why anyone would do this if there aren’t going to be noticeable changes in the kids’ lives. Nobody knew before, so why broadcast it to the entire world now? It strikes me as using your kid as a weapon to seek revenge. I know people who behave this way, and was even told recently by a woman how hurt her six your old kid was by the dad cheating. I was thinking, “Why the fuck did you share that with a first grader?”

How old should the kid be before you tell them your favorite sexual positions?

OK, I’m kidding but you get the gist.

Put me down in the “none of your damn business” camp.

When I was 23 or 24 (I’m 31 now), my parents called and asked if I could come over to their place for a “talk.”

“Oh shit,” I thought. “What’d I do?”

When I got there, they were both sitting at the dining room table. My father looked absolutely ill and white as a sheet. My mom looked incredibly pissed. Not livid - it was the quiet sort of anger that makes you wonder if someone is silently plotting a murder.

“I want your father to tell you something,” my mom said.

Turns out that my parents had been in a screaming argument. At some point, my father spitefully confessed to an affair from ten fucking years in the past. My mom was so angry with him that she demanded that he humiliate himself by telling me.

Now, the ages of about 12-16 were rough between me and my parents, and the stress of my relationship with them caused some strain in their relationship. It was during this period that my dad stepped out. During his confession to me, he managed to imply that I bore some responsibility for his infidelity, and my mom said nothing to contradict him.

Gee, thanks guys.

They also asked that I never breathe a word about it to anybody, including my brother, who’s three years younger than me.

Here’s the best part: Guess what my mom does for a living.

Really.

Guess.

She’s a social worker who specializes in adolescent couseling for “families in transition,” a.k.a. families where the parents are splitting up.

You’d figure she’d know better.

Anyway, the knowledge did absolutely nothing for me other than getting me pissed at them for putting me in the middle of their bullshit. They’re still together and working on stuff. I (and sometimes my brother) will occasionally get really inappropriate calls from one of them while they’re in the middle of an argument. After one particularly freaky series of 4AM calls to both my brother and myself, I finally broke down and told my brother the backstory. After I got off the phone with him, I called my parents back and told them both to knock it the fuck off, and they haven’t involved either one of us since.

On the up side, it’s helped put my own problems in persepctive. I’d always assumed that my parents had this model relationship grounded in total emotional insight and healthy compromise, which stood in stark contrast to my own series of messed up relationships. They never really did anything to dissuade me of that fact. Now I know better - I’m probably in better shape than they are.

But my vote is still a resounding never.

Yes, if the only way the kid would be likely to find out about the affair was through something like black rabbit went through, then I vote with him. Never. But if it’s something other kids/adults are aware of and may prejudice their interactions with the child because of, then he/she deserves to know the reason little Billy’s mom won’t let them play together is because she thinks his momma/daddy is a cheating skank/bastard and it isn’t anything the kid did. Sucks when shit flows downhill onto a kid like that, but adults suck sometimes.

Enjoy,
Steven

Yeah, I guess I was just wondering if this behavior is normal, and if it is, why?

I don’t begrudge anyone a bit of irrational anger upon discovering an affair, but I’d think people would stop for a second before talking to a little kid about all the bad things the other parent did. It always seems to me like, “Well now you’ve hurt me, so I’m going to tell the kids about this. Do you see them crying now? See! Look what you’ve done!”

I’ve known more than one person who’s done this. On its most recent occurrence, I remember thinking, “Who the hell shares this type of information with a six year old kid anyway? For fuck’s sake, the kid still needs booster seat.” Then I thought, “Why would you tell your kids at any age?” What the fuck? I still don’t know if this is normal behavior or not. A lot of “normal” behavior is pretty disheartening.

black rabbit, that sucks. But good for you & bro teaming up to tell them to leave you out of their drama.

May I posit the theory that cause and effect here are the other way around? Those are rough years for anyone and certainly no excuse for bad behavior on a parent’s part (otherwise no couple would make it through their child’s adolescence).

But it’s also a time when we’re very sensitive to household “vibes” and prone to acting out other people’s repressed emotions. Your dad may have some deep-seated need to blame others for his transgressions, but you don’t need to buy into it.

I have no idea why my parents divorced. I assume irreconcilable differences, but it could be anything. The subject was never brought up, and I was never curious.