Only if you’re a member of the feudal ruling class (like Aragorn, Elrond, or Frodo) with a vested interest in maintaining your privileged position in society. For pretty much everyone else, keeping things as they are means a lifetime of tedious manual labour with virtually no prospect of social betterment.
Sam is the person who could do it.
Sam was strongly tempted to become the great gardener; he was able to return the Ring to Frodo, but actually destroying it is a different story.
For the Ringbearer, a frigging Istari, the Rightful King of Gondor WITH A REFORGED NARSIL, the son of the steward of Gondor, an elf and a dwarf along with their three minions to surreptitiously sneak into Mordor and throw the ring into Mount Doom? Real inconspicuous bunch there. They couldn’t even sneak through a dungeon without bringing the entire mountain and a frigging balrog down on them. What are they going to do in the open? This has “Party goes off the DM rails and throws together a shitty plan” written all over it.
Your post reminds me of a hilarious book review I read on Usenet, where the author believed (or pretended to believe) that Tolkien was some hack writer hired to novelize an existing RPG. Here’s a sample:
Tolkien just doesn’t seem to understand how characters generated by a role-playing game system work, particularly wizards. Gandalf has at his disposal precious few of the spells detailed in the Realms of Middle-earth ‘Thaumaturge’s Tome’. Count them: he has two First-Level Wizard spells - a Make Magic Fire spell, and a Strike Evil Forces With White Lightning spell (both of which he uses twice - the only time spells are used more than once); and two Second-Level Wizard spells: a Reveal Secret Doors spell, and a Bind Great Horses To Your Service spell. That’s it: the sole sum of his magic, it would appear. In particular, just about anyone who’s ever played a Realms of Middle-earth game will hope that Gandalf has an Immunity From Corruption By Evil Magic Items spell, particularly since that would make the plot so much simpler. The story-line concerns the discovery that the magic ring found by Bilbo in The Hobbit, and now belonging to his cousin Frodo, is actually incredibly corrupt, and that it must be destroyed before the Dark Lord Sauron gets hold of it. If only Tolkien had read through the list of spells contained in the ‘Thaumaturge’s Tome’, he could have given the ring to Gandalf to destroy then and there, and thus spared us much of the interminable plot which follows.
Boromir wears the Ring and marches at the head of the armies of Gondor.
But how would they know where to follow him? And even if they did, wouldn’t they be constantly bumping into him whenever he stopped to rest? ![]()
I think that the category that Bombadil fits into is “those beings who are Tom Bombadil”. He’s his own unique sort of thing, and there aren’t any other beings who are fundamentally like him.
So Tigger then, basically.
Your post reminds me of a hilarious book review I read on Usenet, where the author believed (or pretended to believe) that Tolkien was some hack writer hired to novelize an existing RPG.
Unfortunately, this kind of silliness is compelled by
Tolkien’s plot, which has been plagiarised, almost incident by
incident, from that masterpiece of modern fantasy, The Blade
of Bannara by Jerry Crookes
Yeah, I’m gonna go with “joke post” here.
“It’s magic, right? Big magic, or we wouldn’t all be pissing our pants over it. I’m sure there must be some way to use this amazing scary superweapon to amazingly scare the other guy.”
I suppose you’d get command of the Nine?
One interesting issue is this: If Sauron gets the Ring, it’s game over, man. …
The good guys have a really narrow path to victory - keep Sauron’s armies from winning long enough for the Ring to be destroyed by someone strong enough to resist the temptation to use it aggressively - and in fact, there is apparently no such person (Frodo couldn’t do it, after all).
Not necessarily, after all Sauron had the One Ring for quite some time (1640 years) and was defeated while wearing it.
And Bilbo gave up the Ring, possibly Frodo would have been able to do it if he hadnt been so weakened.
Not necessarily, after all Sauron had the One Ring for quite some time (1640 years) and was defeated while wearing it.
The humans are completely outmatched this time with almost no Elf support.
And Bilbo gave up the Ring, possibly Frodo would have been able to do it if he hadnt been so weakened.
I always assumed that the closer the ring was to Sauron/Mount Doom, the stronger it’s hold was. Also, if the ring is somewhat sentient, it would want to jump from Bilbo to Frodo, to get itself back to Sauron.
“Before you let us pass into Mordor, you must answer these questions three.”
“Very well, if I must… hey, wait a minute!”
“What is your favorite color?”
“Grey…NO!, White!”
But it was too late, and he was cast off the Bridge of Khazad-dûm with a Balrog.
Not necessarily, after all Sauron had the One Ring for quite some time (1640 years) and was defeated while wearing it.
And Bilbo gave up the Ring, possibly Frodo would have been able to do it if he hadnt been so weakened.
Sauron was faced then by a continent wide alliance with many times the current might and population of Gondor.
After years of persuasion Bilbo gave the Ring to his favorite person - but he didn’t try to destroy it.
Only if you’re a member of the feudal ruling class (like Aragorn, Elrond, or Frodo) with a vested interest in maintaining your privileged position in society. For pretty much everyone else, keeping things as they are means a lifetime of tedious manual labour with virtually no prospect of social betterment.
The world itself seems to reward the feudal class. In this world, the aristocrats actually do have powers, and their life and health seems to be tied to that of the land. Only people from these bloodlines can use certain objects of power.
Or, that could all be propaganda to keep the proles in line.
My understanding is that Tolkien claims that the books were not about the horrors of industrialization and urbanization, but he also claims that they are not religiously motivated or inspired.
Only if you’re a member of the feudal ruling class (like Aragorn, Elrond, or Frodo) with a vested interest in maintaining your privileged position in society. For pretty much everyone else, keeping things as they are means a lifetime of tedious manual labour with virtually no prospect of social betterment.
Laketown and the Shire were democracies of a sort. I suspect others areas were as well.
The life of a shire farmer (the only ones we see in detail) seems to be fairly comfortable and even fun, with lots of presents, feasting, boozing and smoking.
And Frodo wasnt a member of the ruling class. He happened to be fairly rich, but that’s about it.
Well, he (and Bilbo) was part Took, and the Tooks were the closest thing the Shire had to a noble family.
But I do get the impression that the Mayor held more practical power than the Thain.
Well, he (and Bilbo) was part Took, and the Tooks were the closest thing the Shire had to a noble family.
But I do get the impression that the Mayor held more practical power than the Thain.
Yes, I’d call Bilbo “landed gentry” not nobility.
Laketown and the Shire were democracies of a sort. I suspect others areas were as well.
I would think their government would resemble rural England of 1910.
Laketown and the Shire were democracies of a sort. I suspect others areas were as well.
…And Frodo wasnt a member of the ruling class. He happened to be fairly rich, but that’s about it.
Well, he (and Bilbo) was part Took, and the Tooks were the closest thing the Shire had to a noble family.
But I do get the impression that the Mayor held more practical power than the Thain.
The only elected official in the Shire was the Mayor. The Thain, technically the representative of the (absent) King, was a hereditary office. By the time of the War of the Ring it was largely ceremonial. But the most important authority on an daily basis was probably that of the (hereditary) heads of the most important families like the Tooks and Bradybucks. The Shire effectively was an oligarchy. But Tolkien set it up as a kind of Utopia where almost everyone followed the rules because they were just and good, and conflict was minimal.
Lake-town however was a republic with a democratically elected Master.
And Frodo wasnt a member of the ruling class. He happened to be fairly rich
Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Frodo might best be described as landed gentry, a class that supported itself through property ownership rather than labour. You don’t need to be a nobleman or a politician to be part of the ruling class.
It’s difficult to say how the practical governance of the Shire worked, because there seems to be so little of it. The Thain was largely ceremonial, yes, but then the same seems to be true of the Mayor. And the heads of the important families seemed to have authority mostly only over their own families. The only “government employees” we seem to see are the Shirrifs, who by and large do nothing.
I think there might have been some mention of courts, in regards to Lobelia tying up the resolution of Bilbo’s estate. But we know nothing about how the judges are chosen.
I was thinking its kinda weird Aragorn wasnt there to see everyone off at the end (When they leave for Valinor) . And i dont think he is in the book either. Then I thought it was weird Arwen wasn’t but I remembered she wasn’t as elevated in the book. And decided that visually its a mess if so many people are there saying goodbye. So I wonder if thats the same reason Tolkein kept it to those leaving and the Hobbits.