So...That makes Di...part black?

I was reading this TIME article today about Mary Magdalen(sp?). The article went on to explain how she might have been Jesus’s wife and that their children and children’s children started the whole (forgot the name, it was the name ofthe bad guy from Reloaded). Then it said that Princess Di was supposedly of the bloodline. My question is; if they could predict and say that Di was related to Jesus, why not say the people in Di’s immidate family are also related to Jesus?

Another question, would the people tell me if it is possible that I am also related to Jesus?

Start off by finding yourself some Jewish ancestry. I do have Jewish friends whose family legends claim they’re cousins of Jesus, though not descendants.

Holy Blood, Holy Grail, by Baigent, Lincoln, and Leigh is an odd mish-mash of actual information from the late middle ages, really bad scriptural exegesis, and wishful thinking. With the popularity of conspiracy theories, these days, their book has elicited lots of wonder and speculation for the historically naive. There is nothing to it. The whole “holy grail” schtick was a late medieval literary construction that had nothing to do with the rise of the Merovingians 800 years earlier.

If you wanted to know whether you were related to the Merovingians, you could probably get some DNA workups to check how closely you were related, but you are not going to know how close you are to the bloodline of Jesus (improbable as even the Gnostics ever claimed that Jesus and Mary Magdalene married) or to Mary Magdalene (for whom there is no historical record outside of the Gopels). (Even the Gnostic gospels only record her life while Jesus was actively preaching, claiming they kissed, but nothing more.)

The “rehabilitation” of Mary Magdalene with which the Time article began was fine, as far as it went. Then they started into the typical Time practice of dragging in everything, including the kitchen sink, to pad out the article. i would not get my hopes up, if I were you.

The original ancestor of Homo Sapiens (“mitochondrial Eve”) is supposed to have lived in Africa.

So we’re ALL black.

That “Grail Blood” thing again? I love it!

This all seems to have started – at least, in the modern public eye – in 1982, when BBC journalists Michael Baigent, Henry Lincoln and Richard Leigh published Holy Blood, Holy Grail. This book asserts that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene and had children; they migrated to Gaul; they founded a line that eventually became, or married into, the Frankish royal house of the Merovingians. There is a secret society called “The Priory of Sion” which exists to safeguard the bloodline, and, perhaps, to someday install its heir as emperor of a united Europe. All this is somehow associated with a town in southern France, Rennes-le-Chateau; with a medieval Jewish principality in Septimania, in southern France; and with a medieval Manichean or Gnostic-Christian religious cult known as the Cathars, which thrived in southern France until exterminated by the Catholic Church in the “Cathar Crusade.”

There is a pretender to the Scottish throne, a Belgian named Michael LaFosse who styles himself “Prince Michael of Albany,” and claims to be a direct descendant of Charles Edward Stuart (“Bonnie Prince Charlie”) through his legitimate son (unknown to conventional history books) by his second marriage (likewise). He also claims to be a direct descendant of Jesus and Mary Magdalene (and the prophet Mohammed, too) – but he seems to regard this as being much less important than being descended from the royal Stewarts/Stuarts. (You can check out the website of the “Royal House of Stewart” at http://www.royalhouseofstewart.org.uk/.)

However, Prince Michael’s “historiographer royal,” Laurence Gardner, has written several books about the supposed bloodline of Jesus, most notably, Bloodline of the Holy Grail. Gardner’s website is athttp://www.graal.co.uk/. In his other books, Gardner asserts that Moses and the Egyptian “heretic pharoah” Akhenaten were the same person, and ancestor of David and Jesus; and descended, moreover, from the “Annunaki” gods of Mesopotamian legend, who were either extraterrestrial or extradimensional beings, or humans genetically modified by such beings.

(Prince Michael should not be confused with the more conventionally recognized “Jacobite” claimant to the British throne, Prince Franz von Wittelsbach, Duke of Bavaria. You can read about him at the “Jacobite Heritage” website, http://members.rogers.com/jacobites/.)

And there’s a magazine called Dagobert’s Revenge, which is devoted to the “Grail Blood” theory and related esoterica. You can check it out at http://www.dagobertsrevenge.com/. (Dagobert was a Merovingian king of the Franks who was murdered under mysterious circumstances.) DR has run articles on many supposed branches of the “Desposyni” or Jesus-descendants, including the Austrian Hapsburgs and others.

But this is the first time I’ve ever heard Princess Di’s name mentioned in connection with all this! Could you provide a cite, teemingONE?

Here is the Time article opened to the page mentioning (briefly) Di.

No, Di wasn’t a descendant of Jesus, but she was a direct maternal line descendant of an ethnic Armenian named Eliza Kewark who lived in Bombay as the concubine of a Scot named Theodore Forbes.

Eliza Kewark -> Katherine Forbes -> Jane Crombie -> Ruth Littlejohn -> Ruth Sylvia Gill -> Frances Burke Roche -> Diana Spencer, Princess of Wales

Source: “Genealogists’ Magazine (June/December 1981)” article by David Williamson.

I checked out the Time article. Rather disappointing. It says only, “Several French kings promoted the legend that descendants of Magdalene’s child founded the Merovingian line of European royalty, a story revived by Richard Wagner in his opera Parsifal and again in connection with Diana, Princess of Wales, who reportedly had some Merovingian blood.” No attribution as to the last point, ah well. The noble and royal families of Europe have been marrying back and forth for so many centuries that it would not be surprising if most of them had some Merovingian blood. For that matter, if the Merovees indulged in the usual prerogatives of royalty and sired lots of bastards wherever they went, we might expect the same of most Europeans and persons of European descent. Is that old cliche true, that by this time practically every white or part-white person is statistically certain to be a lineal descendant of Charlemagne? (A near-contemporary of the Merovingians but not of their house, rather of the Carolingian house that usurped their place.)

With regard to Diana’s genealogy, recently I posted a GD thread: “Was Princess Diana really Winston Churchill’s granddaughter?” – http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=193140&highlight=diana – This was based on something I heard in a news story aired shortly before the royal wedding. The consensus was that she was not, although the Spencers and the Churchills were related. Diana’s genealogy is posted at http://www.idreamof.com/diana_tree.html. There’s also a Spencer genealogical chart, an Acrobat file with very tiny print, at http://www.althorp.com/spencer-family/familytree.pdf. Interesting to learn, if Nichol_storm is correct, that Di was descended from an Armenian concubine of Bombay.

The “Holy Blood, Holy Grail” line, by the way, comes from the theory that the medieval Grail legends actually are based not on the san graal, or Holy Grail, of Jesus (whatever a “grail” might be – it’s a mysterious word and probably does not mean a cup or chalice), but on the sang real or Royal Blood of Jesus.

Prince Michael of Albany’s claim to the Grail Blood has led some evangelicals to identify him as the Antichrist, or at least a good candidate for the role. If young Prince Harry and Prince William are also of the Grail Blood . . . then they’re part Jewish (and possibly part black), certainly part Armenian, and one of them might be the Antichrist – all of that, someday sitting on the British throne! Imagine! Lyndon LaRouche couldn’t have come up with that! Genealogy is fun!

Some say that the Bush family is descended from William the Conqueror and related to Winston Churchill and to Diana, so you could probably lump the Bushes as part-Merovingian if we’re going with some of these reaches…

Actually, it’s the Charlemagne link that’s the important one as he claimed to be descended from Clovis. Thus anyone descended from Charlemagne is part of the so-called ‘Grail bloodline’ and, as you say, descendants of Charlemagne are not exactly rare. (Just how common they are has been discussed in previous threads.) Diana did have a documented descent back to Charlemagne, most obviously via several of the illegitimate children of Charles II and James II. None of this is in the least remarkable. On the other hand, only those who are daft enough to believe The Holy Blood and Holy Grail would then take the further step of concluding that she was therefore descended from Jesus and Mary Magdalene.

It has been claimed that most European royal families have black ancestors via a mistress of Alfonso III of Portugal.

http://www.globalblackwoman.com/winterspring2002-p6.html

They’re also both descended from Genghis Khan and a French whore.

Hyacinthe Gabrielle Roland was a high class hooker who ahem “plied her trade” at the Palais Royale until she met Richard Wellesley, Earl of Mornington, the brother of the famous Duke Wellington. They lived together and had five children before finally making it legal in 1794.

Hyacinthe Gabrielle Roland -> Anne Wellesley -> Charles Cavendish-Bentinck -> Nina Cavendish-Bentinck -> Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon -> Elizabeth II, Queen of Britain -> Charles, Prince of Wales -> Princes William and Harry

As for old Genghis, there are several probable descents into European royalty and thence to the Wales princelings.

Genghis -> Djuchi -> Batu -> Toudukan -> Möngke -> Toktai -> daughter -> Patrick (Gleb) Narimontovich, Prince of Lithuania -> Yuri -> Vassili Yurievich Patrikeev -> Ivan Boulgak Vassilievich Patrikeev -> Prince Mikhail Ivanovich Galitzine -> Prince Yuri Mikhailovich Galitzine -> Prince Ivan Yurievich Galitzine -> Prince Andrei Ivanovich Galitzine -> Prince Andrei Andreievich Galitzine -> Prince Alexei Andreievich Galitzine -> Prince Boris Alexeievich Galitzine -> Prince Alexei Borisovich Galitzine -> Princess Maria Alexeievna Galitzine -> Sergei Vassilievich Saltykov, probably the biological father of -> Czar Paul I of Russia -> Czar Nicholas I of Russia -> Constantin, Grand Duke of Russia -> Olga, Grand Duchess of Russia -> Andreas, Prince of Greece -> Philip, Prince of Greece -> Charles, Prince of Wales -> Princes William and Harry

But just in case you’re not a Saltykovian, there’s another line from Genghis through the the family of none other than Vlad Dracula, the infamous Impaler prince and model for Dracula!

William Addams Reitwiesner did some research into the Bush family tree; the President has a number of interest including Wild Bill Hickock, Louisa May Alcott, and Robert E. Lee.

Is it true that George Herbert Walker Bush is a grandson of Colonel Walker, who ‘filibustered’ in Nicaragua? ie he decided he should be the one running this country, so he got some henchmen and achieved some victories and announced he was in charge.

But the Nicaraguans defeated and shot him.

No, William Walker the filibuster was not the grandfather of George H. W. Bush. There may be some distant relationship between the two, but not in the direct line of descent. The line goes Thomas Walker (d. about 1799) > George E. Walker (d. 1864) > David Davis Walker (d. 1918) > George Herbert Walker (d. 1953) > Dorothy Walker (d. 1992) > George Herbert Walker Bush.

By the way, William Walker was executed by Honduras in 1860, not Nicaragua. He was captured while trying to get back to Nicaragua from the United States some time after he was deposed.

Speaking of family histories, George Herbert Walker along with Harriman & Company were bankrollers for the Nazis. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree…

So, akrako1, you’re saying that our current president is bankrolling Nazis?

Unfortunately, there aren’t any current Nazi’s for G.W.Bush to bankroll. As long as he and his friends could make some money, I don’t see him having a problem with it. Is this really that hard to believe?? The Bush/Reagan cabal have at one time supported nearly all of the worst of the worst - The Taliban, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, smuggling drugs via Iran/Contra, and the list goes on and on. But that’s a topic for another thread…

Woops, it was more accurately Prescott Bush, more than his father, that worked with the Nazi’s.

From Cecil’s own mouth:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030214.html
The central charge against Prescott Bush has a basis in fact. In 1942, under the Trading With the Enemy Act, the U.S. government seized several companies in which he had an interest. Prescott at the time was an investment banker with Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), which had funneled U.S. capital into Germany during the 1920s and '30s. Among the seized companies was the Union Banking Corporation (UBC) of New York, which was controlled by German industrialist Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen had been an early financier of the Nazi party–in fact, in 1941 he published a book entitled I Paid Hitler. Ergo, Prescott helped finance the Nazis.

An article by journalist Toby Rogers posted on Loftus’s Web site makes an even more explosive charge. Another company in which Prescott and his associates had a stake was the Silesian-American Corporation (SAC), which owned several industrial concerns in Poland. The Auschwitz death camp was established in a district where SAC already had a steel plant. The plant allegedly used forced labor from Auschwitz during World War II. The article asserts that “a portion of the slave labor force in Poland was ‘managed by Prescott Bush,’ according to a Dutch intelligence agent.” (See www.john-loftus.com/Thyssen.asp.)