I asked for a cite, not your claim. No one said the plane “fell” out of the sky. I believe the “common sense” consensus is that the hijackers crashed the plane because the passengers were getting ready to storm the cockpit. There is plenty of evidence via cell phone calls to family members and employees of United to back this up.
Please link to a site that will back up your opinion that the plane was shot down.
Heck, I’m waiting for the inevitable remake of The Final Countdown. I figure it’ll be made around 2025 or so. A crew of about 10 will be climbing aboard their U.S. Air Force hypersonic bomber/spy plane for a routine test flight and glance over at the hover-limousine that just pulled up. Some reporter will be on board. During the first orbit, the plane will get pulled into a vortex and after a few minutes of disorientation, they’ll monitor radio traffic and -gasp!- they’ve somehow gone back in time to September 11, 2001! They’ll debate whether or not to intercept the hijacked planes, figuring that since they’re Air Force, and the Air Force was ordered to intercept the planes that day (though the fighters of 2001 couldn’t because they were caught by surprise and too slow), they’ll do it. The reporter suggests this will cause massive changes to history. One of the officers on board is a 9/11 buff and be able to recite facts from memory. The crew decides to go for it and as they sail over the west coast at Mach 25, preparing to intercept and disable all four planes, the bomber (damaged in the initial time jump) starts to come apart. The history buff officer has to bail out over the midwest wearing some kind of futuristicky survival suit. The captain holds the plane together, barely, and is approaching the east coast with all weapons armed when another time vortex shows up, pulling the bomber back to 2025. The damaged plane limps back to base. As the reporter disembarks, unsure how (or even if) he should write the story, he gets called over to the hover-limousine. Inside is the history buff, 24 years older and fabulously wealthy because of wise investment. “We have a lot to talk about,” he says, as the limousine turns and floats away.
I’d guess because we don’t have lots and lots of actual footage (personal and media) that we can make a film with.
Preferably one that doesn’t come from some conspiracy nut who thinks that “Occam’s Razor” is the brand name of the box cutters wielded by the terrorists.
This must be some definition of that phrase with which I have not been familiar.
There is more “anecdotal evidence” and “eye witness accounts” to support the theory that people are being subjected to random anal probing by space aliens.
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Discussion about these movies is fair game for Cafe Society, and the appropriateness of the movies (or lack thereof) is part of that discussion. However, discussion about real life (or imagined real life), such as “what really happened?” do NOT belong in this forum. That’s been hashed over more times than anyone cares about, in the Great Debates forum.
Please keep this discussion on track, about these movies. VCO3, you should NOT have tried to hijack the thread in this way. And others who responded, ditto.
Methinks you may not be speaking for all in this somewhat generalizing manner. Horrible and traumatic a day as it was, the fact is it was also excruciatingly dramatic. It remains a fascinating, if soul-rocking, confluence of events. An intelligent director has a very good chance of portraying them in a way that’s compelling, moving, and respectful all at once. As someone else has said, you could do worse than Paul Greenglass. (Oliver Stone’s already a lightning rod of opinion, so a lot of people will have their minds made up about that one before the first reviews are in.)
I saw an interview on CNN the other day, with a mother of someone who was killed on Flight 93. She said, and I’ve read this elsewhere as well, that the movie has the support and encouragement of all the surviving family members.
If they believe the movie should be seen, than that should be enough for the rest of us.
The whole idea of the events of Flight 93 envoke emotional reactions from everyone…and these are adding to the polarizing effect of the movie.
I’m not pointing the finger at any poster in the thread because I cannot know what’s in their hearts…but some people are bothered on a viceral level by the idea of the simple heroism and sacrifice that took place on that plane.
They don’t like the fact that people they disagree with are inspired by those selfless acts and they become hostile toward the entire subject.
Personally, what happened on that plane has stuck with me to this day. I can’t read about the subject at any length without getting choked up…and the movie will probably me an intense emotional experience for me.
If I could choose the manner of my death, it would be the way those passengers and crew went.
Evil One, your attention please.
I can’t speak for the Stone movie, but I trust Paul Greengrass. He made Bloody Sunday and that’s enough for me to know that he can deal sensitively with a traumatic historical event. Also, there are no stars in the film, no one I’ve ever heard of. That doesn’t say “low rent” as much as it says “You will not be distracted by a face you recognize.”
I have high hopes for United 93 because of those things, and because the families endorse the film.
I’ll go see the Oliver Stone film too. There are a million stories to 9/11, and they should be told. Some will be told well, some will be told badly. I think(hope) that these will be told well. We’ve all seen the overview of what happened. Nobody needs any kind of movie to tell and show us that, but so many of the stories within need to be told. Just because we’ve seen the buildings get hit and collapse over and over again doesn’t mean that the stories of the people inside aren’t worth telling. Or the people ouside. I don’t remember this much complaining when The Guys was released, and that came out in 2002. I guess it’s ok if it’s a small art film that people can ignore, but not for films that have higher budgets, trailers and get publicity?
Personally, I can’t wait until someone makes a movie out of Heart of a Soldier, about Rick Rescorla’s life and heroism on 9/11 (look him up, his is a fascinating story). Supposedly a movie was in the works but it seems abandoned now. If these two movies do well perhaps someone will revive the project. I hope for the best.
Not just Bloody Sunday, which is excellent, but also Omagh, which Greengrass produced and co-wrote. Together the films provide a good indication of how he is likely to approach this subject matter: with intelligence, empathy, and insight. In fact, I can’t think of a filmmaker I would trust more with this story.
Whichever one that O. Stone directed is the one that I’m going to see.
His movies are always great. Another thing that needs mentioning is that we were fascinated by watching the whole sad story on TV…just think how it will look in a theater with 20+ feet of screen.
Of course, if the movies stink, we can always find the directors and give them a little triangulation.
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I saw the families discussing the flight 93 film and how they fully supported it. I was skeptical at first, but they seem genuinely pleased with this movie. Yes, we all lived through that horrible day, but what happened on that flight is a story that should be told and I think it is the perfect time.