Does it make you feel better to go around rubbing people’s noses in your party’s victory? You won. We lost. That’s the way you think of this. You don’t even begin to comprehend why this would be a tragedy to us liberals, or you just don’t care.
You want to talk about Tuesday–fine. The voters have just insured that a sizable portion of their workforce will be unable to even negotiate cost-of-living increases to their wages. This will mean that a significant number of people will make lower wages, and tsome people will wind up on the street, seeing as we’re still recovering from the crisis.
Now that the Republicans have “won”, other Republican led states are going to follow suit. I live in one of those states. I’m barely able to stay in my house right now. My mom works for the school district. It’s very likely that a cost of living increase could result in us being homeless.
But go ahead and enjoy your little victory. Just stop going around rubbing people’s noses in it. I pray to my God that people will one day grow up and stop seeing any way to save a budget without raising tactics can be accepted, no matter how many people it hurts. Or, worse, stop voting against people who tried a failed political stand out of some vendetta against them.
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But go ahead and enjoy your little victory. Just stop going around rubbing people’s noses in it. I pray to my God that people will one day grow up and stop seeing any way to save a budget without raising tactics can be accepted, no matter how many people it hurts. Or, worse, stop voting against people who tried a failed political stand out of some vendetta against them.
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What you need to be hoping for is that this doesn’t start a trend of political one-upsmanship, with the Republicans attempting to do the same thing somewhere else, and the Dems then escalating again until we have recall votes for Presidents that are simply disliked. It’s one thing to try and get rid of an elected official who has done something criminal or unethical…but to try and do a recall election because he did what he said he was going to do when he ran? That’s fucking stupid, and to me it sets a scary precedent for future slippery slopes…and one that is probably going to come back and bite the Dems who tried to do this in the ass some time or other in the future.
Personally, I don’t give a shit about Walker…never even heard of him before this, and he seems sort of a slimy dog to me ('course, I feel the same about most politicians). What riles me on this is how stupid it was for the Dems to try this stunt, and how much damage they have done by trying this stupid fucking stunt. Like I said, if they have evidence of malfeasance or illegal activity? To be sure, present it and get his ass out of there. But this? Ridiculous.
I’m saying it’s a slippery slope and that by doing it for something other than illegal activity or some other similar activity you open the door to having it happen more and more often. Yeah, I was being hyperbolic with the president thing, but by opening the door to kicking off recall votes for elected officials who are doing what they said they were going to do when they were elected in the first place simply because you don’t agree with them it enables gods know what in the future.
This recall didn’t open the door to such things; the Wisconsin Constitution did. To force a recall, you need a number of eligible voters equal to 25% of those who voted in the original election to sign up. I think that’s a pretty strong safeguard.
So .. this thread WAS, in fact, an effort to distract attention away from Tuesday’s victory?
The thing is, BigT, I don’t agree with you. And you seemingly cannot understand that just because you hold a belief does not translate to everyone else in the world also holding that belief, or that belief being objectively true.
I don’t know what your particular financial circumstances are, but neither you, nor your mom, are owed a particular level of income. If you were a buggy whip maker, and you had been pushing a law mandating that cars must carry a buggy whip, the defeat of that law would have been a good thing. And you would not change my mind about the wisdom of that law by announcing that because the law had failed, you and your mom faced homelessness. The reason you would face homelessness in that scenario, BigT, is that the public no longer wanted or needed buggy whips now that cars, rather than horse-drawn buggys, were the primary method of transport. And you can’t sustain your buggy whip business by demanding that the state pass laws to support it on the basis of sympathy for your tenuous financial position.
So, too, here. The public sector unions have been successful with their version of buggy whip laws, and that’s now changing. This is a positive thing for the states, and the economy in general. I don’t take pleasure in your problems, BigT, but I do take pleasure in seeing Wisconsin voters convincingly and soundly repudiate the efforts of public sector unions.
No doubt Walker will try to get the trial moved to Waukesha County with judge Prosser presiding. The jury pool will consist mostly of people who voted for him.
Well, this is certainly telling, you saying that teachers are like buggy whip makers. Buggy whip makers were made obsolete by the introduction of the automobile. So, obviously some drastic change must have occurred that changed teachers from essential contributors to society to economic castaways.
What might that drastic change have been? Oh yeah, you got a fine public education, good enough that you were able to afford to send your children to private school. So since you already got yours, public school teachers are obsolete. Fuck 'em, and all of the poor kids who need 'em, right? Let them go the way of the buggy whip maker.
No, he didn’t say that at all. How can you quote what he said and then misquote it in your summary? He said public sector unions were like buggy whips. It’s not that great an analogy, but it’s ludicrous to say that Bricker was equating teachers with something obsolete.
Your 50% seems a little high, considering it’s been 2+ years and they’ve come up with nothing yet.
The trial (if it occurs) would be in Milwaukee county. The governor does not have the power to unilaterally change the venue. And Prosser, being on the Supreme Court, would not preside in any case.
Wait, the unions are the whips? So when **Bricker **said “The public sector unions have been successful with their version of buggy whip laws,” he was saying that the whips were the objects responsible for passing the laws, and not the people who made the whips?
I would also point out that part of the reason Bricker was able to get a good education is that his teachers were in a union, a benefit he would deny to the current crop of students with poor parents.
You righties are so cute when you think that your arguments aren’t ridiculously transparent to anyone with two brain cells to rub together. If this were a thread about CEO pay, there would be wailing a gnashing of teeth over the fact that the CEO is just negotiating a salary based upon what he is worth, and he is worth exactly what somebody is willing to pay in a free economy. But if a union, which is just as much as product of a free economy as a CEO, negotiates compensation, that’s bad, that’s “buggy whip laws,” soooo evil. A union is just people pooling their labor for a better seat at the bargaining table, exactly the way that investors pool their capital together for a better seat at the bargaining table. Can you imagine what would happen to Bricker’s head if the government passed a law banning investors from being able to pool their capital together to form a corporation? It would make one hell of a mess.
The investigation, as a whole, started in 2010, but the focus on Walker only in late 2011. He first met with prosecutors in February 2012.
The probe started when $11,000 of charitable contributions went missing. (Since then the dollar amount has increased.) Originally, it had nothing to do with Walker.
As far as venue goes, we know darned well Walker will, as I said, TRY, to get it moved. They succeeded in getting some of the recall court proceedings moved from Dane County (home of the state Capitol) to Waukesha County.
I’m not certain, but a lower court judge might not be deemed appropriate for trying a sitting governor. Certainly there are many lower court judges friendly to Walker, but few more friendly than Prosser. An exception would be Gableman, who is even more ethically challenged.
The idea behind this old saw is that, when a particular good is no longer desired by people who used to use it, the government shouldn’t prop up the makers of the good by paying them money or by mandating people to purchase the good.
Policies aren’t goods. That’s confusing and makes no sense.
Tenure might be a good, but the people who used to use tenure still use it, and most of them still want it (I’m personally fine getting rid of it, but I’d appreciate being compensated in some other form for this lost job benefit). It’s not a buggy whip, since it’s desired still by its users.
The analogy only works if the government is paying the makers of the good too much money–in which case, the good must be public education, and the makers of the good must be educators. Even then, it doesn’t work, because many people still value public education.
There are plenty of strong arguments against public-sector unions (and in my opinion even stronger arguments in their favor). The buggy-whip-analogy is not helpful or clarifying, I think.
I disagree. My son’s private school is providing a better education at a lower cost, and the employees are not unionized.
No. The union seeks protection from the law for its negotiating “tactics.” If the union were truly working in a free economy, then I’d have no heartburn about it. But the union steps on to the playing field clad in armor provided by the National Labor Relations Act.