So, we've got these inflatable kayaks..

Cheapos. Stearns Spree One kayaks.

Thing is, we’ve never had an inflatable kayak before. We’re not going to get up to anything other than calm water with them (Ha! Like we could do any serious kayaking in those!), just piddling around Green Lake in them.

We’ve got this electric pump for them. It says .6 psi. Cool. We don’t know what that means. So, we use it to inflate the kayak. There are two holes with which to inflate them with (“holes”. I’m good with this inflatable kayaking terminology thing, as you can see). Anyway, the back one seems to inflate the front and the back. The hole in front of that seems to inflate the inner tube around the area you sit. Then there is a little, seperate, optional inflatable mat/seat thing that you sit on. Now, here’s where we’re stumped:

The bottom of the kayak doesn’t seem to want to inflate. We’ve run that pump for about 15 minutes, and it doesn’t look or feel like it’s inflating at all. They should look like this. The bottom of ours just looks flat.

Has anyone owned these types of kayaks? Which hole inflates the bottom? Are we just not waiting long enough? Are electric pumps shite? Hand pumps the way to go? Neither? Help!

(anything short of “send the crap kayaks back and buy some good ones”, right now that’s not the point. Just get us inflated!)

I just got one too. A Sea Eagle.
I’m going to hang around.
Peace,
mangeorge

Can’t help you with specifics of your boat. I have a Sevylor, and I use an electric pump to get it roughly into shape, and my lungs to finish off getting it stiff. Electric pumps are high volume, low pressure.

How much is an inflatable kayak? It is my DREAM!!! to kayak around on the Chicago River (I see people doing this sometimes on warm days) and since I don’t have a car, I have to be able to carry it on tha CTA.

Ours are cheapies, not good for too much other than calm waters (we decided to get these to start, see if we enjoy it/get out enough to think about some more serious kayaking, then invest in some good ones, though they probably won’t be the inflatable type when we do so, depending on if we have a vehicle that can transport them). Ours are Stearn Spree One, and they cost around $350-$400 USD. Good ones could cost closer to the $1200+ range. We were looking at some Innovas, which seemed to be pretty cool, which were in the $500-$1000+ range, depending on what you’re looking for.

Mr. Stasaeon was thinking of picking up a double hand pump to inflate that bottom part. That electric pump doesn’t seem to inflate anything but the innertubes.

Holy cow, that seems like a lot for cheapies. I guess my DREAM!!! will have to wait a bit.

I don’t know anything about inflatable kayaks, but 0.6 psi sounds very low to me. Surely your kayak has a rated maximum pressure written somewhere? A quick googling with keywords “inflatable kayak psi” indicates most of them are pumped to 2 or 2.5 psi.

I looked at inflatable kayaks last year. There was one company in Vancouver, B.C. that had a nice one with poles to keep it rigid; but I don’t remember the name of the company. I saw the kayak at the Vancouver Boat Show, and it looked like a good product. IIRC it cost about CDN$1,200 to CDN$1,500.

Google: “Jeff Snyder” and “striding”
Essentially , the fellow stands up in these things and goes over waterfalls.

You may want to try them out without inflating the floor. My sad experience with inflatable kayaks on a Class I-II stretch of the Skykomish was the #%$ thing is etremely unstable. Any wave at 45 degees or so would flip me right out. Inflating the floor makes them ride even higher and more suscecptible to flipping.

Suggest you try rolling them a couple to times just to get used to the sensation and to practice getting back in. (I have lots of experience in such unplanned abandon ship drills :smiley: Its the getting back in that is difficult.

Check out Swiftwater on Fremont Ave between 42nd & 43rd. They can give you advice and their prices are good.

I think that the floor is a seperate chamber, look for a popup inflation nozzle somewher on the side of one the floor tubes, it will look like an oversized inflation nozzle like you would find on a beach ball. The manufactures info states it is a three chamber design, my guess is two chambers for the main tube (redunacy) and one chamber for the floor.

Well, for those who were following this thread, we bought a double hand pump, and it worked beautifully. It worked even faster than the electric pump, which seem pretty much useless in comparison. It took under five minutes to inflate one kayak.

We took the kayaks out today on Green Lake, piddled around for a little bit, and they are a lot of fun.

Another question: What type of paddles are good for kayaking? Longer or shorter? Ours are adjustable (which we are seriously considering replacing, they feel awful). I found (later) that I kept scraping my top knuckles against the kayak, chafing them to bits. Is there anything specific we should be looking for? Or is it just going to be a “what feels right” kind of thing?

Thanks everyone for your responses. Everything helps!

Oh, and SkipperToo, the third “chamber” is an inflatable mat/seat type thing. The floor chamber ended up being the hind nozzle, which inflated the outer area and the floor chamber. The floor chamber only inflates a little bit, but after using the hand pump, the kayaks actually looked like the picture instead of the bedraggled horror they were when using the electric pump.

Yay, hand pump!

My husband took his inflatable back and got his money back. He said he was too heavy for it (6’1", a hair over 200 lbs) and it was too unstable. He bought a rigid one man kayak.

He sometimes takes one kid in the kayak and the canoe if we all four go.

Belgium!, that’s NOT cheap…

that’s what i paid for MY Loon 120 rigid kayak

The paddle size and shape depends on how far it is to the water, and what you want to do once you are there.

Start with holding the shaft over horizontally over your head, as if you were a rifleman wading across a river. Your upper arms should be horizontal, and your fore-arms should be vertical, so that your elbows are at 90 degrees. Without changing the position of your hands, start paddling.

If the blade is fully buried in the water but the shaft is not in the water, then you have the right length. If the blade is not buried, then get a longer shaft. If the shaft is entering the water, get a shorter shaft.

If you want to paddle at a faster pace, or if you are concerned about overworking muscles, get a narrower blade. If you want to paddle at a slower pace, or if you want occasional power on demand for wild water, get a larger blade.

The longer your reach during the set-up, the longer the blade. The shorter the reach, the shorter the blade.

Keep trying various shaft lengths and blade sizes/shapes until you find something that works for you.

In a flat water kayak, you either sit high up but close to the gunwales (e.g. a sprint racing kayak – you squeeze in between the gunwales and sit about four or more inches up from the hull) and use a powerful high angle stroke (with the paddle shaft more toward the vertical than toward the horizontal) with an average size paddle (about 205 cm or so), or you sit low but somewhat further from the gunwale (e.g. a sea kayak – you are a couple of inches or so from the gunwales and sit two or three inches up from the hull) and use a less powerful low angle stroke (with the paddle shaft more toward horizontal than toward the vertical) with a long paddle (225 cm or so). The lower the angle (the more the shaft is toward the horizontal), the longer the shaft must be before the blade reaches the water. (Please don’t take the lengths as gospel. They are only approximations, and will vary depending on quite a few factors). (And never use this many parentheses in a paragraph.)

A big benefit of a high angle stroke is that it is a pure forward stroke with no sweeping action. Another big benefit of a high angle stroke is that it lets you use your powerful shoulder muscles to hammer down with the catch and follow through like a scythe. The high angle stroke is quite similar to a canoe stroke, only with a lot more trunk rotation. The problem is that you have to be fit to keep trucking along with a high angle stroke for a long time. Thus most recreational kayakers use the less efficient but less exhausting low angle stroke, which is more akin to wiping a table with both hand at the same time – a lot less powerful, but a great deal easier.

The only way to paddle a canoe or kayak while both sitting high and fairly far from the gunwales is to use a very long paddle (about 245 cm or so) with a less powerful low angle stroke. You can’t use a high angle stroke because you are too far from the gunwales, so you are stuck with a low angle stroke, but because you are sitting so high, the low angle stroke forces you to use a very long paddle to reach the water.

Using a very long paddle with a less powerful low angle stroke is very inefficient. First, by the blade activity taking place so far from the boat, the stroke is more of a sweep than a forward stroke. Second, although trunk rotation remains, you can not drive down and add a lot of oomph to the rotation with the powerful shoulder muscles.

Thanks, Muffin, for the excellent info. And Anastasaeon for the thread. I’m putting mine in the water for the first time next weekend.

Terrific! Post a trip report for us afterward.

I am going resurrect this thread from the dead. I hope that’s ok!

I saw mention of the Sea Eagle earlier, and I was wondering if anyone that commented about it could give some input on it, and how it worked out for you.

Sea Eagle’s such as the 330 and the 370 seem to get great reviews all over the web.

I am looking forward to hearing from your 10 years of experience with them!