So what is the womens' march supposed to accomplish?

Thank you, Thread-Sheriff Bob. Except that I was making a direct response to another poster’s post, and made no claim that I was or was going to provide the final answer. Maybe if this had been “Who Wants to Be a Millionnaire?”

Perhaps I should have been clearer rather than sarcastic, since it plainly either went over your head or you want it to look that way. Go find someone else to order around, I will comment on what I want when and where I want, and especially not at your behest. You’re lucky you got any answer from me at all.

Well, the protests do seem to drive Trump into a fury and prompts him to make rash decisions that may cost him his congressional support.

Hahahaha. “Thread-Sheriff Bob”! Hehehe. That’s a good one.

I’m not responsible for what you meant to say.

You are also not responsible for, nor can you control, the content of my posts. So why don’t you do something like, oh, say, concern yourself with yourself rather than waste our time by attempting to exercise power that you don’t have?

Trump is like a parent and liberals are his children.
For the past 2 or 3 years they’ve been fed through the umbilical cord of “he’s not going to be the President”

But now the birth has occurred, they’ve been yanked by the leg from the womb, held upside down, spanked and told “c’mon, ya lil’ bastard, breath on your own and get on Donald’s tit”

They haven’t stopped screaming or shitting since.

The Women’s March’s ‘genital-based’ feminism isolated the transgender community

WTF does it even mean? Isn’t it great to have normal people running the country…

Ok, this made me laugh.

Don’t know what “normal” means to you, but I’m really ok with that.

Oh, I can help with this one: it’s referring to the pussyhats.

IOW, the article is talking about how Trump’s notorious pro-groping remark about “you can grab 'em by the pussy” became a rallying point for many people disgusted by his attitude and policies. So the female reproductive system became kind of a theme for the marchers, what with all the pink hats and signs about the GOP “elephant in the womb”, etc.

And some transgender women apparently found that off-putting because it seemed to equate “woman” more with having a female reproductive system than with actual gender identification. Hence the claim about “genital-based feminism” excluding trans women.

So, to answer your question, that’s what that even means. With all due respect to your article’s author, though, I have to say that on the ground at the actual DC march, as opposed to second- and third-hand ruminations about internet arguments with march organizers, there seemed to be plenty of respect for trans people and plenty of signs stressing the importance of intersectionality and rights to gender expression for everybody, etc. And it says right in the Women’s March Unity Principles that “it is our obligation to uplift, expand and protect the rights of our gay, lesbian, bi, queer, trans or gender non-conforming brothers, sisters and siblings. We must have the power to control our bodies and be free from gender norms, expectations and stereotypes.”

So I’m thinking your linked article may be a bit of a tempest in a teapot. Nothing that I saw at the march, and nothing that I can see in the march principles, suggests that anybody was actually advocating for “genital-based” feminism or exclusion of trans people.

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:dubious: Well, if you consider it “normal” to have a President who (for example) is so narcissistically fixated on his personal image that he can’t stand it that somebody else’s crowds were bigger than his, or that somebody else got more votes than he did, so he has to keep making up and repeating lies in order to deny the facts.

That doesn’t really sound “normal” to me. I think it’s a lot more normal, and a lot more healthy, for people to devote attention to, say, figuring out how to reconcile pushing back against traditional misogyny directed at cisgender women with respecting the identity of transgender women, than to spend their time obsessing over ways to fool or bully the public into believing lies about their popularity ratings.

But hey, if you personally happen to like Trump’s behavior, fine by me.

So, I think what you’re saying they don’t like the idea that the “vagina is essential to womanhood”?

Kind of tough to argue against, but hey, whatever it takes to get the Republican vote out and have the liberal loonies cannibalizing themselves…

Trump’s primary weakness is that he can be played like a fiddle. His buttons are right on his chest, just push any of them and watch the fun.

But that is only a real weakness if his opponents don’t also let their buttons be pushed.

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“Our time”? Who do you believe you represent? Who do you believe you are speaking for?

I didn’t tell you what to say. I didn’t order you around. I did remind you that this thread is titled So what is the womens’ march supposed to accomplish. What YOU do with that information is up to YOU.

I understand, and empathize. Probably one of the biggest reasons I became a lefty is getting tired of losing arguments.

But a question, if I may? Does “whatever it takes” mean anything up to and including lies? 'K, tx, bye.

Not to hijack this thread into an explanation of the biology/psychology/sociology of gender (a better example of which you can find here), but no, in fact it’s not at all tough to argue against the idea of essentializing the concept of “womanhood” to mean “having a vagina”.

If you think it is, that’s probably because you’re mixing up a number of different characteristics that you incorrectly claim are equivalent to “womanhood”. To wit:

  • Having female genital anatomy implies having a vagina.

  • Being genetically female implies having XX chromosomes.

  • Having a female gender identity implies instinctively thinking of yourself as a woman, irrespective of your genitals or chromosomes.

Most people who are identified as “women” have all three of those characteristics, but that doesn’t mean they always go together.

For example, there are XX-male people who have XX chromosomes but have a penis instead of a vagina. There are people with androgen insensitivity syndrome who have a vagina but have XY chromosomes instead of XX. There are people who have female gender identity but have a penis instead of a vagina and/or XY chromosomes instead of XX.

So how are you going to define “being a woman”? Which combination of those characteristics do you assert defines “womanhood”, and how are you going to classify the people who meet some of your criteria but not others?

The complexity of this issue is why society is shifting in the direction of a sociological definition of “womanhood” that depends just on individual gender identity. In other words, for purposes of ordinary existence within society in general, you’re called a woman if you personally identify as a woman, irrespective of your chromosomes or the shape of your genitals.

So from that more realistic perspective, no, the vagina is not essential to womanhood, at least not to womanhood as defined for general social classifications of people.

If this is confusing you, you might want to go read the more complete discussion in the thread I linked to; there were several other posters there who were also unfamiliar with some of these concepts, so a lot of the issues are explained.

At the risk of taking a metaphor – well, not literally, but seriously – that’s not much of a weakness, is it? I mean, folks want to play him for some specific reason, right? Like, there were people who wanted him to drop out of the race and endorse some other candidate; but there was no button for that. And there are people right now who’d really love for him to nominate a pro-choice champion of Roe v Wade to the Supreme Court; but there’s apparently no button for that, either. Is there a way to ‘push his buttons’ to make him release his tax returns? Or whatever?

The marchers had a long list of policies they want; I have a long list, too; is there a ‘push his buttons’ solution for any of the things that are actually on our lists, or does that approach only ever produce some other response entirely?

Our = yours and mine. (I know you want to intimate otherwise. Sorry, no go.) I leave it here for other readers to judge. Now kindly butt the fuck out of my business.

We have now moved from pointless to sublime. Shall we try for ridiculous?