So what killed my goat?

No, this isn’t some spoof thead-thingy. This afternoon I found my favorite pygmy goat “Olive” dead in the pasture. She was the goat-of-my-heart, my absolute favorite. She had been ravaged by predators, I’m thinking coyotes. However, her carcass was covered with fresh grass and sticks, which has me puzzled.

Firstly, I had thought my pastures were coyote-proof. Non-climb fencing with mesh gates. I was wrong. I saw a rub where the predator gained entry/exit under the fencing. But from what I have read online, it seems that only cougars and bears '“bury” their kills. I’m stumped as to what it is exactly; that I want to kill D-E-A-D. Is it a cougar, or coyote? I’m quite depressed at this point, Olive was the main reason I went to barn every day. I shall miss her dreadfully. And yes, I’ve put out feelers for a LGD asap.

:frowning:

Sorry about olive …

Any tracks around the field perimeter? Like ‘stalking’ positions?

Perhaps animal control might have some reports from other people that might be a clue?

A coyote probably wouldn’t have been acting alone and so there wouldn’t be much left. A predator that attempts to cover up it’s kill, to return to later, is a lone predator.

Probably a cougar, they are everywhere now that hunting by hounds has been outlawed in most areas.

I see that you live in Oregon, definately cougar.

LGD. Livestock Guarding Dog?

I can’t imagine any feline covering a kill with grass and twigs.

Any chance you can put out some kind of live trap so that you can find out what it is?

House cats will sometimes “bury” food with grass/debris, in my experience.

Yes, when a cluster of housecats takes down a goat, it’s not pretty. I really hate when they use animal corpses for their Satanic rituals.

Only thing worse might be feral chihuahuas, although I’ve never heard of them leaving anything left to be buried.

Nope, definitely a cougar. They do that.

In a book I read, Beast in the Garden, it tells about how a deputy answered a call about a body, and found the remains of a missing boy with all his innards removed and replaced with grass and twigs. The lawman was wondering if that was the result of some weird serial killer’s ritual, when he looked up and saw a cougar staring down at him from a tree.

I’m sorry something got your goat. I have a coworker that has a lot of goats that are his pets, he has some livestock dogs, a donkey and recently got a couple llamas because they are supposed to guard goats or at least kick up a fuss if a predator shows up.

Hmm, my title seems inappropriate for this thread (or too appropriate). Sorry about your loss, truthbot.

Coyotes will bury their prey if they can’t finish it. All the canids do. I’ve heard it theorized that early humans learned to save food for winter by watching wolf packs do it. (No cite, this was years ago in anthropology class.)

If it was just a light scattering of grass, though, it sounds like maybe a coyote was marking its ownership by peeing and then kicking and scratching at the ground. Covering the body with grass leaves might have been incidental.

I’ve never owned an LGD. Have you considered getting a llama for herd protection? I’ve never owned a llama either, I should say. I was just wondering if you’d thought about it. From what I’ve read, it sounds like they can be successful at it. Sort of like those Tom & Jerry episodes where a baby kangaroo turns up and Tom mistakes it for an enormous mouse.

Sorry about your friend. Goats bring a lot of personality to the table.

So assuming it’s a feta accompli that it was a cougar, how do you plan to kill it? What’s your plan?

Chupacabra. What? They’re goat suckers. It’s what they do.
Ok, I have nothing actually helpful to add, but you do have my sympathies. That had to have been terrible. :frowning:

Nope, that’s Sylvester and Sylvester Junior. Our pop culture references must be correct at all times.

I have all my critters locked in the barn tonight, just in case. If I thought it was just coyotes, I have all the bases covered. Any points of entry have been eradicated by me and my handyman this afternoon.

I just have a nagging feeling about the covering the carcass with grass/limbs/whatever. That does make me fear a cougar. I can’t keep a cougar out of my pastures, so I have made calls to every dog-industry person I know for some LGDs.

And yes, LGD means Livestock Guardian Dog. I’m going for a pair of them, because I want to make double-damn sure this doesn’t happen again. I’m just heart-broken at the loss of my Olive, she was the sweetest goat ever. I used to walk her down to the non-profit ranch down the road every year for the petting zoo fund-raiser, she was always a big hit with the kiddies. She will be sorely missed.

I didn’t pursue the LGD option initially because I didn’t want to piss off the neighbors with a dog barking all night, every night. But now, all bets are off. I need something with fangs and claws to protect my critters. And if I see a coyote or cougar, they’re SO dead!!! I have a rifle and know how to use it. And a nifty shotgun too.

When do cougars hunt? Will you need a nightscope?

I would like to state for the record that I was nowhere near there. Furthermore, I have an airtight alibi. Also, I don’t even like goat.

Methinks Maggie doth protest too much.

Sorry about your Olive. Poor thing.

You will probably get specific recommendations from your dog friends. There are a lot of different LGD-type breeds out there. While there are some smart little herding and guarding dogs, you may be more interested in some of the monster all-weather types who have been bred for centuries for exactly this role.

Here’s one place to start: http://www.lgd.org/

Goat mutes. I’m just saying’…

I’m really sorry about Olive, Truthbot. I hope all your other critters stay safe.