I’ve already asked for a cite for the percentage in the last 50 years of life-imprisonment-without-parole convicts who have escaped and committed further violent crimes.
Bonus points if you compare the number versus the number of people who’ve been released from death row for being innocent.
Only in the same way that the fact that there were some Black slaveholders in the American South disputes that the majority of slaveholders were white.
Serial killers, mass murderers, spree killers, and really really depraved murders.
Assuming they are found guilty, life without parole.
It’s cheaper than executing them, you know.
Please define, in a legally acceptable way “serial,” “spree,” and “really really depraved.”
We’ve already been through this. She wants to eliminate their rights to appeals, take them out back, and shoot them in the head.
I second this request.
Serial=Killing more than once for the sheer thrill of it.
Spree=Two separate incidences of killing people within a short period of time. like you are hunting human prey.
Depraved=Torturing victims before killing them.
All three of these catagories carry the idea of enjoying killing your victims.
Now define “for the sheer thrill of it,” “within a short period of time,” “like you are hunting,” and “torturing” in ways relevant to a court room that don’t end up over inclusive.
How frequent do you think prison escapes are, outside of comic books?
Off with their legs as well then.
I believe in most cases I’d certainly endorse a life w/o parole policy. Every once in awhile though one will come along that, like the OP, just makes my blood boil, animals incapable of compassion that are best wiped off the face of the Earth. I’d have no trouble as a juror giving those in the linked story the DP, just like I would have here for the horrible things they did to Jennifer and Elizabeth.
So how about someone who’s a contract killer for some kind of organized crime organization, like a gang or the Mafia? They’re killing repeatedly, and probably torturing some people before they do it, too, but for business, not for pleasure.
If you would give them the death penalty, how would you deal with members of the American military who have tortured people to death?
Shockingly, not one of the people making these escape claims has yet come up with the cite I’ve asked them for. Shockingly.
Well, obviously nobody who escaped from prison and is on the lam is going to tell you about it, silly.
I think we might, just maybe, notice they were missing, though. Maybe.
And since we are not 100^ certain that those we sentence to life without parole will not kill again, as did people like Tookie Williams and Ed Wein then we have to respect the small possibility of error and execute them instead.
The only reasonable way out of this dilemma is to choose the alternative that kills the smallest number of innocent people. There is considerable anecdotal evidence of innocent people being killed by people in prison, but little to none of innocent people actually being executed (at least in the last thirty five years or so).
I am perfectly willing to accept the risk of me or one of my relatives being wrongly executed in return for the elimination of the risk of being murdered by a repeat offender.
Don’t be ridiculous - you can;t argue in one thread that everyone is the absolute moral authority for themselves and then turn around and pretend that your opinions have any moral weight for anyone else at all. :rolleyes:
Cite?
Regards,
Shodan
I voted before reading the article, because I’m not in favor of the death penalty under any circumstances. Then I read the article. I agree the crime is heinous and sickening, but the proper punishment should be based on law and not visceral emotion or desire for vengeance. So I stick to my vote.
Besides, according to the article, one of the prisoners has already attempted suicide. Why give him what he wants? Make him live with the memories.
They don’t escape from the really hardcore lockdowns, no.
There is no public interest in making sure they don’t have a moment’s pleasure. That’s not a goal of the justice system. We’re not into mind control.
No it doesn’t. The stats are the stats. It’s not a “thesis,” and therewas never any claim that ONLY black people get the death penalty, only that they get it disproportionately. This is completely fallacious.
This is really, really specious. Yes we can make sure they don’t kill again if we really want to. Concrete boxes work just fine. Nobody all alone in a concrete box ever killed somebody else.
There is no dilemma, just a desperate scrabble for an excuse to kill people. We are perfectly able to make sure convicted killers can’t kill anybody else.
Yes I can, because I never said everybody’s moral authority is equal to mine. I am the last word.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=397&invol=358
Please feel free to demonstrate ways in which our legal system favors potentially punishing the innocent over potentially letting the guilty go free. Oh wait. It’s the exact opposite.
Also, I *love * the people talking about how the number of people who’ve been freed through DNA evidence alone means the system is fixed now… ignoring that there’s probably a similar proportion of wrongly convicted people in cases where there is no DNA evidence or it’s never been tested.
After initially voting to execute these guys, I must return to my complete opposition to the death penalty.
It is purely selfish; I may be innocent and be convicted sometime.
We “know” these guys did it, but most folks who vote on a jury “know” the guy was guilty, or they would have voted differently.
You know, it is entirely possible that you’re right. It may be about revenge because the highest capital crimes are heinous in a way that simply holding someone at gunpoint for their clothes is not.
That question about being naked is ridiculous. What I would hope for the criminal in that scenario is that he’s punished just as he would be punished now. It is not a capital crime. We’re talking about death penalty vs life without parole. That does not apply to more minor crimes.
Taking an innocent person’s life through violence is considered the worst thing that one can do. I don’t necessarily feel that a murderer getting to live out their life in an institution is enough. Death may be too much, only because of the error rate in the court. Like I said, I sit on the fence.
I can see that this is a very emotional issue for you. That’s cool. Glad you can use rolleyes to make your point in the rudest way possible as though I insulted your grandmother. Yep, you told me!