Bullshit, for the same reason SenorBeef blaming Democrats was bullshit.
It’s kinda fascinating, though. It’s like everyone knows Trump will be a disaster and they’re already trying to avoid taking any responsibility for him.
You mean the one who actually knew her subject and got her students to learn it? Phew, dodged a bullet there; we don’t want someone like that in a position of authority.
Republicans will reap the full measure of what they’ve sown, of that you should have no doubt. But that’s for later. Tonight the Democrats got crushed across the board, and that really, really shouldn’t have happened.
There’s one thing you can definitely pin on Obama: not translating his wide base of support into something that went beyond his person. Even to the end, he spoke to many of his supporters as if it was all about him. As if they were supposed to do him a personal favor and vote.
And of course the “change” vote, even if it amounted to just 0.5% of voters who voted for Obama going to Trump, that’s on him too. It made a difference. He shouldn’t have marketed himself as something he wasn’t to win an election. Such choices have consequences.
Look, I voted for her and am upset as anyone else that she lost. But part of being a politician is being able to get dumb people to like you. She should have realized she couldn’t do that and given the chance to someone else.
Unlikely. He couldn’t manage to win the primary. Once the GOP started hitting him for being a commie, I doubt he’d fair as well.
I do have doubts. The crime rate could go up and Trump will tell people how much safer they’ll be. The economy could tank and Trump will tell people how soon they’ll all be prospering. Believe me. As I said in another thread, all I ask for in the next few years is that Trump be judged on his true record, not on the image that he can sell to people.
A big mistake was the characterization of the Americans voting for Trump as ‘deplorables’ rather than individuals who felt disenfranchised. There’s a pathos present in those who vote for Trump, and, frankly, the democrats were not very sympathetic to it.
Take the song below:
Look at the comments. Isn't it interesting how a song about the South after the Civil War isn't totally rife with people calling those who fought for or belonged to the Confederacy bigots (and, interestingly, the song was written by a Canadian of Native American heritage)? Sadly, popular discourse on the notion of belonging to the Confederacy isn't so sympathetic. A similar phenomena occurred with how Democrats spoke of those who supported Trump. SAD!He will be. He’s not a very good salesman. People were just desperate for real change. Not the fake, typical politician change promises that are always forgotten the second the election is over.
The primary did not reflect the will of the people. TPTB in the DNC conspired for Hillary to win from day 1, like her or not. And nobody liked her.
OH ya…because the south’s treatment of race worked out so well?
IIRC, things only really started to improve once people were called out for what they were, which was bigots. And that didn’t start for a century and is still a major issue.
So why should we copy that broken method again?
That’s utter nonsense. The leaks show people bitching. In private. Not somehow rigging the election.
If you want to know where Dems went wrong, it’s by passing around that goofy conspiracy theory because making Hillary seem bad made Bernie seem better.
Take the Nevada caucus, a normal floor vote is taken and everyone loses their shit. To this day people bitch about how it was Clinton stealing votes. The fervor in service of Bernie, and the causal acceptance of conspiracy theories to paint Hillary as a bad-guy are what the Dems did the most wrong.
Americans wanted major change - upheaval.
Hillary and the Democrats said, “Status quo.”
If you had to name one factor, that would be it.
If I had to point to one thing, I’d say not working the refs more.
The republicans have been drumming the “THE PRESS IS BIASED” drum since the 90s, with increasing fervor, and the press has, as a result, been more and more willing to just let them get away with batshit insanity. The press has been unwilling to call a spade a spade for the most part, and have allowed the overton window to shift to the point where “President Donald Trump” doesn’t sound completely fucking insane, and they should be fucking flogging themselves raw for that.
The democrats need to start doing that too. Sure, it sucks for democracy and in the long term is a toxic strategy, but the press needs to start feeling that pressure from both sides of the aisle, not just the side constantly benefitting from it (which also happens to be completely fucking crazy). They need to hear a more explicit call-out from the left when they pull shit like the Commander in Chief forum, and need to hear more bitching from high-ranking democratic politicians when they spend more time on a fake Clinton scandal than on all the issues combined.
Beyond that, something needs to be done about the right-wing media bubble. I don’t know what. I don’t know how you fix this. Once someone goes down that insane fucking rabbit hole, how do you pull them back out? They’re essentially innoculated against news sources that aren’t fucking batshit crazy, and there’s literally no reason for any person involved to change course - Breitbart is phenomenally successful pitching insane conspiracy theories and constantly lying; why should they do anything differently? Even if they lie, anyone who could call them out on it is just a “librul shill” who can’t be trusted. What possible way is there for reality to break through here? How do you deal with half the country essentially being turned into conspiratorial nutbags who reject any news that runs against their preconceived notions?
I don’t think it’s ever safe to attribute election results to a public departing from reality. People have their reasons and they are usually valid, at least in the aggregate. They wanted change. Happened in 2008 as well. Arguably, it’s been every election since 2008 except for 2012, and that’s only because Obama has an army behind him. But no other Democrat does.
I don’t think steady incremental change is status quo.
Of course if we had a sensible country, even status quo would be more amenable than 180° turn and gunning the engine.
Well for starters, conservatives had a 30 year head start on ginning up hate for the Clintons. But that doesn’t account for the lack of progressive enthusiasm.
It is as simple as the fact that Hillary Clinton isn’t likable. (Yes I voted for her in the general, because I’m not an idiot.)
Obama, (Bill) Clinton, Carter are the Democrats that have gotten elected in my lifetime. They are all that uncle or neighbor you are happy to see, and disappointed when they leave.
Hillary is the Aunt that talks a little too loud and can’t quite remember the joke but tries to tell it anyway, and you have to laugh because she is your mom’s sister, and she’s a good person. But no, I’m not wearing the hideous sweater she gave me for Christmas. She smiles without being happy.
She is the female version of John Kerry or Michael Dukakis. Hillary only did as well as she did because A)Trump is a con man and a four fingered asshole, and B) First Woman president…Yay!
The republicans seem to be able to win with less charisma. (Regan being an obvious exception). H.W. Bush and Nixon were fairly creepy, and W. Bush is the Deacon you don’t let little Bobby go fishing with…not a child molester, but he always forgets something and nearly sinks the boat.
You have to go one step farther back to LBJ to find a Democrat who was not really likable winning, and I’m not sure he counts, as Goldwater was scarier than even Trump.
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Are you serious? Trump is the most brilliant fucking salesman on the planet. Blue collar people are fed up with the influence that rich people (like billionaire real-estate developers, for example) have on politics. Trump managed to sell 50 million of them on the idea that a billionaire real-estate developer cares about them and will fix it.
Reform of the system, not steady incremental policy changes. There was nothing the public got from electing Barack Obama that they couldn’t have gotten from Hillary Clinton. Why bother?
Well okay, how would you convince the average Breitbart reader that crime has not sharply spiked in the inner cities over the last two years? How would you convince someone who reads The Daily Caller that we should care about climate change? How do you explain to someone who has Conservapedia bookmarked that you can’t just stage a surprise attack on a major population center and triage tens of thousands of troops overnight? How do you convince someone who listens to Alex Jones to stop fucking listening to Alex Jones?
Like it or not, a large portion of the electorate has departed from reality. Completely. My fucking grandmother shared a link about how wikileaks proved that Clinton ordered the attack on the Benghazi facility to murder ambassador Stevens. These kinds of insane conspiracy theories don’t account for all of Trump’s support, but I’m willing to bet they account for quite a bit of it.