These protestors are protesting against democracy.
A free and open election was held. All sides had their say. Many campaign promises were made. Some events were spun/twisted in order to promote the political biases of both (all?) sides. Votes were cast. The votes were counted, and a winner declared.
These protestors reject the results of that free and open election. Some of them chose to reject the results in a violent manner. Do these assholes expect the U.S.A. to hold another election in order to end the violence, protests, and terrorism? Will they then expect repeated elections until the terrorized voters select the candidate of the protestor’s choice.
*She (ol’ Hillary) said when she arrived in Bosnia on March 25, 1996, “I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”
But news video footage of her arrival at Tuzla shows Clinton, then the first lady, calmly walking from the rear ramp of a U.S. Air Force plane with her daughter, Chelsea, then 16, at her side. Both Clintons held their heads up and did not appear rushed.
The video shows Clinton spending several minutes talking with the group, including an 8-year-old Bosnian girl who presented her with a poem, and later greeting U.S. troops.*
Apparently, 16-year-old Chelsea, and an 8-year-old Bosnian girl, were able to dodge the non-existing sniper fire while enjoying the spectacle that Hillary.
Wrong. The protestors are not denying the results of the election (that’s what Trump would have done). They’re protesting the implications of the election. They’re saying, “You may have won, but your odious policies will never be implemented. We will not stand for the harassment and abuse of women and minorities.”
The Election isn’t over yet; the protesters are merely lobbying the members of the Electional college, as is provided for in the Constitution since the Electoral College is supposed to serve as a check on any rash whims of the electorate.
Why did Trump win?
It is Rural America, screaming “STOP IGNORING US & OUR NEEDS!”
And, as everything else has failed, they try to smash the plate glass window, by electing Trump.
Seriously.
The Mainstream GOP screwed them by promising things they never intended to deliver, & the Democrats, their greatest strength in the cities, couldn’t care less about them.
My conclusion : Trump is a non-Democrat, but, at least to the voters, is an Anti-Republican.
Did I mention that there were no protests against the Obama Presidency? Maybe you’re thinking of some other poster?
Did I say it is only okay when my side (Bernie, then Trump, supporter) does it? You must be using a different internet than I am.
These protestors are objecting to the results of a democratic free, and open, election. These protestors reject the results of a democratic free, and open, election.
These protestors are protesting democracy. There attempts to terrorize the public won’t fair any better than the attempts by the Occupy thugs, or the only Black Lives Matter morons.
Then did you condemn the Tea Party for attempting to terrorize the public?
If you did, good for you. I still don’t agree that exercising the first amendments right to peaceful assembly is protesting democracy, but at least you would be consistent, and we could agree to disagree on the finer points of acceptable public discourse.
If you did not condemn the Tea Party for their protests, then you are just against democracy when it is not in your favor, and that’s not cool.
For more data of what was done wrong in not having Trump, I found the discussion of the 538 on the polling and where the divergences and the late deciding was, in some interesting graphics,
it does not look like the variance is about rural as Bosda shouts about, it is about the MidWest old industrial production areas of the USA that are in long term employment decline by reason of both the technology and the trade.
this suggests that Mrs Clinton failure was not only about her lack of charisma, but also the themes that were misfocused, focusing on the cultural politics and not on the working class economics politics.
If you look just a coupla posts above, you would see that I join with you in condemning any violence.
You are talking about protesters, the vast, vast majority of which have been peaceful, as being against democracy.
If you want to talk about violence, then don’t talk about protests, talk about violence. Your current rhetoric is mixing them up, as if they are the same thing. If you continue to mix them up, after you have been made aware of the issues with your rhetoric, then I will assume that you are doing so intentionally.
This is the right answer and the Democrats are stupid for not taking the easy opportunity to fold them in. There are slight changes to their platform that they could make that would attract a huge number of moderate Republicans and also solidify moderate Democrats.
A few tweaks to the platform:
Recognize that Islam has been radicalized, and assert a willingness to work with Muslims and non-Muslims to ensure that the religion becomes, once again, a religion of peace. Jesus, the Republicans got a huge burst from that Democrats refused to say “radical Islam”, which, even as a Democrat it pains me the lengths to which we twist ourselves up to try to pretend Islam is exactly the same as Mormonism with regard to violence at this moment in history.
Favor affirmative action as a method to include people of all backgrounds. One does not need to walk away from race based affirmative action, which I believe is actually a good thing for everyone. But, it’s also a good thing for everyone to include people from all backgrounds. Poor white kids are sick of being called privileged, which segues into 3…
Back off on the labeling. I get what you mean when you say that whites have an inherent privilege. It isn’t wrong, entirely. But, when that poor white family hears how privileged they are, it pisses them off, and they’re not wrong to be pissed off. They are having a hard time, maybe we should help them out too. Maybe we should have some nuance here, and acknowledge this kid’s struggle. Which links in to number 2, because this kid is now not only “privileged” but gets lumped in with all the other actual “privileged” people based solely on the color of his skin; he looks at the kids he has way more in common with socioeconomically who ARE getting a leg up, and is rightfully pissed. He genuinely needs a leg up, and let’s be the party to give it to him.
Cool your jets with being offended, and lets stop pretending every instance of offense is legitimate. Some are, no doubt. And those should be minimized, and I’ll be with you there on those. But we love being offended. We fucking LOVE it. Every time a college holds genuine meetings to address the horrible travesty of someone chalking “Trump 2016” on a campus, you lose voters. Hell, you’re losing me, and I’m on your side! Ask yourself if you’re actually offended before making an issue. When someone says “all lives matter”, you might actually have a lot in common with their opinion, so stop shitting on them reflexively.
Drop gun control for now. It’s a loser of an issue. It sucks that we can’t have a rational debate on this, but this is where we are.
Acknowledge that you have reservations on abortion. You aren’t removing a tonsil. It’s not the same thing, and it’s not just a clump of cells. I’m pro-choice, but I cringe when other people on my side are so cavalier about it. Being pro-life is a very understandable position to take, and when we act like we are 100% right on this issue, it makes us look like the chasm between us and them is way bigger than it is (similar to when they pretend that they have no problems with victims of rape and incest being forced to take a baby to term).
Now, yes, in the general scheme of the issues facing America, these are not terribly vital. Compared to global warming and the proper tax structure, these issues are relatively trivial. But, Trump voters, at least the big chunk of non-deplorable ones, said they were scared of Muslims, and sick of PC. They aren’t entirely wrong. Let’s figure out what we are doing wrong and correct it.
Or, we become the pure, 100% “right” and powerless party. We ask why they vote against their economic self interest, and the answer appears to be that no one votes based on economic issues, but every day issues like these.
Ms. Clinton’s lead, by the way, currently reports as larger than would fit in the city of Albuquerque and could very well end at half a percentage point in the final tally. So where the Ds went wrong was obviously complacency and failure to properly target strategic states.
Right. She didn’t appeal to enough people. Those people are largely outside of urban areas. They voted for Trump. Many are racist assholes, we aren’t going to reach them, and we don’t want to. Most aren’t. Targeting them is opportunistic. Appeal to them.
