Doesn’t the Bible quote Jesus as asaying"Render unto Ceasar the things that are Ceasar’s"? The writer apparently heard of Ceasar.
Monavis
Doesn’t the Bible quote Jesus as asaying"Render unto Ceasar the things that are Ceasar’s"? The writer apparently heard of Ceasar.
Monavis
It depends on which Caesar one is referencing. The “Caesar” on the coin would have been Augustus Caesar, not Julius.
Of course, Augustus would never have become emperor, nor have acquired the surname Caesar, had he not been adopted by a certain Julius Caesar…
Too late to edit my own post–I’ve got my Caesars mixed up.
Tiberius would have been emperor at the time of Christ’s death.
Augustus, of course, was emperor at the time of Christ’s birth (as the accounts of the Nativity in the Gospels make clear).
Sorry for the imperial fail.
Indeed, it was the gospel at mass this morning.
That’s my reading of it, too; the authore seems to be commenting on how the average member of the public just accepts matter-of-factly the miraculous part of the Jesus story derives from holding as axiomatic premise (“as certain as 2+2=4”) the part about his (and Caesar’s) mere existence to begin with, and ironically comments “What logic!”
Sorry the OP didn’t specify any certain Caesar. So you are correct, one would have to know what caesar he wanted to verify.
Monavis
I think it was implicit in the statement “There is more evidence for the existence of Jesus than Caesar”, that it was referring to Julius Ceasar. I think whenever “Caesar” is referred to as a historical person in popular culture, with no context to imply which of the Caesars is being referred to, it is assumed to be Julius Ceasar.
How much evidence is there for Ceaser after all. Most of what we know are either from documents written supposedly contemporaneously, with the earliest surviving copy being several hundred years later or from people who lived centuries after his death like Plutrach, Cassius Dio or Suetonius?
Cues zombies swimming in the Rubicon. And the Jordan.
I’ve never heard anyone claim to have ever talked with Caesar, but I’m heard many, many people say that Jesus has spoken to them, that he lives in their hearts, has comforted them, and even helped them do this task or that. Seems like a slam dunk to me.
Well, there are all those coins with his noggin or cognomen on them minted in his lifetime.
Only, he spelled it Caesar…
Plus statues. And he wrote a book.
Wasn’t it Ceaser who said “I came, I saw, I stopped”?
Or was that his brother, Desister? I think it was Caesar who said, “I came, I saw, I created a collaborative website.”
We have at least three contemporary authors who knew Socrates and wrote about him fairly extensively.
There isn’t really any equivalent source for Jesus. All the writings we have are second hand, and Paul is the only one whose lifespan overlapped with Jesus’s.
(FWIW, I don’t really doubt the historical Jesus’s existence, but I think its pretty clear the evidence for Socrates dwarfs that of Jesus).
Obviously you’re unfamiliar with the reporting of noted journalist Perry White
No evidence that Great Caesar’s ghost ever talked back.
When does the earliest surviving copy of his *Commentaries *date from.
The 9th Century.
There’s even more evidence for L. Ron Hubbard, though!
The problem is, what does that evidence say about him?
Er, I’ll give you “most.” I don’t think we can say for certain that the Gospel of Mark *wasn’t *written by a contemporary, or that Luke didn’t really do his research. (Although Luke did, as Larry Gonick would put it, make up all the dialogue.)
nitpick - Although everyone talks about 3 days, it’s something less than 38 hours. People can be ‘dead’ that long and rejoin the ranks of the living. That probably wouldn’t be the tack that a Christian apologist would want to take, but I thought it was worth mentioning.