Yes.
No one made any personal attacks on you. If anyone had, you would have your mod hat on and issuing warnings. Since that is not happening, you must not be telling the truth.
You took a cheap shot and are issuing the usual line of blather trying to define it away.
Your logic and consistency are not poor; they are non-existent.
Regards,
Shodan
Another demonstration of failed attempts at logic.
You wandered into the thread to make claims about my person, drawing inferences from my statements that are not supported by facts. That would qualify as an attack on my person.
As to employing my Mod powers to respond to attacks; I pretty much never do. I figure putting up with cheap shots is part of the job and I do not respond to such nonsense by invoking my mad Mod powers. So, you have again created a claim that is not supported by facts in order to attack me.
If you need to pursue this silliness, take it to ATMB.
No more be said.
Obviously, truth won’t make a dent into delusion. But there it is. And here in bucketfuls – the latter that is.
Merry X-mas, bud. Santa’s sending you a mirror.
Best always to you and all of your loved ones.
I think that where you guys are seeing persecution by claiming a poster is an anti-Semite to silence him, the rest if us are seeing that depiction of what tomndebb said as totally unfounded - and frankly, if you logically examine the quotes in question, I think we have by far the better case.
I think it doesn’t help your arguments to pursue this - it just makes you guys look rather paranoid.
So, you think there is such a thing as “the Jewish lobby”.
Ok, all lobbies have a President or Chairman. Please name the President or Chairman of “the Jewish lobby”.
Also, accusing someone of “dual loyalty” is a really strong charge.
Please tell me what Doug Feith did which would make you think that he had “dual loyalty”.
Also, since you’re openly arguing that many Jewish Americans have “dual loyalty” then perhaps you could list some of them and what they’ve done or said that would lead you to believe the old anti-Semitic canard.
Finally, since you also claim that there are many gentile political figures who are more loyal to Israel than the US, please name some of those political figures and what they’ve done or said that would lead you to make such a claim.
Quoting someone who claims that the US government and media is controlled by Jews more loyal to Israel than the US doesn’t help your case.
I will however agree that comparing Hagel, who merely made some stupid comments about Jews to either Walt or his partner is rather unfair.
Truth be told, I think Hagel would probably make a fine Secretary of State, but in the US when you make insensitive comments about ethnic groups, even if you’re not a bigot, you’re going to come under criticism whether this is Spiro Agnew making a reference to a sleeping reporter as “a fat Jap” or Jesse Jackson making a joking reference to New York City as “Hymie town”.
Obviously, this is dramatically less true of Muslims, Middle Easterners, and to a lesser extent, Hispanics.
Example? Darn it, you are naive.
Any Jewish-American who supports release of Jonathan Pollard or claims he was not given due process has not only “dual loyalty” but has a loyalty beyond that; that’s a loyalty to a foreign country even if it means hurting the country you live in.
Also, just b/c you appended “anti-Semitic” meme and thus associated anyone who points to a dual-loyalty issue doesn’t really make it anti-Semitic; quite contrary, it devalues the term every time.
You know who else has dual-loyalty? AIPAC has a dual loyalty. And they are very proud of it so, please.
Your comment makes little sense unless one is absurdly jingoistic.
Jonathan Pollard is an American put in jail for selling secrets to a foreign country, namely Israel. He has been in jail for nearly 25 years and has spent more time in jail than just about any other American convicted of selling secrets to the Soviet Union or other countries who were declared enemies of the US. He has also spent more time in jail than most people convicted of either rape or murder and even many people guilty of multiple murders.
Now, I don’t care about the man nor have I any desire to see him free, but I don’t see how anyone other than an absurd jingoist could claim that asking for early release for a convicted criminal could be seen as having “dual loyalty”.
Are people who oppose the execution of murders or who call for the early release and/or parole guilty of “dual loyalty”?
Were the people who defended the Rosenbergs or Alger Hiss guilty of “dual loyalty”?
For that matter, you’re also claiming that people who claimed that Pollard’s trial was unfair are guilty of “dual loyalty”.
Does that mean that people who regularly claim trials they believe were unfair were guilty of “dual loyalty”?
For example, are people who claim that Sacco and Vanzetti didn’t get a fair trial guilty of “dual loyalty”?
Finally, I’m a bit confused that you don’t claim that “Americans” who support Pollard’s release are guilty of “dual loyalty” but only claim that “Jewish Americans” who do so are guilty of anti-Semitism.
Why is that?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
Secretary of Defense.
D’oh!
I hate having brain farts.
Thanks for the correction.
That said, I find his stance regarding Iran and the Middle East in general vastly preferable to current US policy.
Truth be told, I think he might be better at State than at the Pentagon.
And this, of course, is how traditional thuggish anti-semitic attempts at bullying go. If you’re a Jew and you have the Wrong politics, the ones your Masters in your Host Nations don’t allow you? You’re a traitor. Disagree on simple matters of due process? You’re a traitor. Believe in different goals, values, but priorities or strategies for foreign policy? Traitors, the lot of those Yids. And amidst such naked, thuggish intimidation, we have the plaintive whine that oppressive, fictitious accusations of anti-semitism doth rain down.
Newcomer, please elaborate on the connection or connections between the Mossad and 9/11. Use short, declarative sentences please.
Thank god you’re on the job to prevent thuggish bullying.
Straw man, poorly done.
He said that a number of lobbyists appear to have dual loyalties and explicitly noted that many of those lobbyists are not Jewish. For you to then change his statement to indicate that “many Jewish Americans” demonstrate dual loyalty is not appropriate.
In the post you are quoting part of, I noted that he said that there were many gentiles this was true of.
Beyond that, what he said was “not all” of those whom he suspects of having “dual loyalty” were Jewish, which would certainly imply that most of those were Jewish.
Beyond that, his post makes it clear that he thinks that many Jewish Americans have dual-loyalty.
I’m merely asking him to name names. List some Jews whom he thinks have dual loyalty and list some gentiles whom he thinks are more loyal to Israel than the US.
Also, since he says that he thinks Doug Feith is a traitor who can’t be trusted, or words to that effect, I’m asking him to explain why.
Also, you’re wrong that he only claimed that “lobbyists” had “dual loyalty” but “political figures” as well.
And you still managed to change all those different individuals with all sorts of separate qualified descriptions into a claim of “many Jewish Americans.”
Because he clearly thinks that “many Jewish Americans” do have “dual loyalty”.
Do you think that’s not what he believes?
I’m not saying that as an insult and reasonably believe that he would agree with that.
Why is that surprising in a post where he’s insisting that he thinks that “the Jewish lobby” actually does exist.
He says “many political figures have dual loyalty and, as an aside, not all of them are Jews”.
That clearly means he thinks that many Jewish Americans, and some gentile Americans have dual-loyalty?
BTW, Damuri, please correct me if I’m wrong. Am I wrong in thinking you believe that many Jewish Americans do have dual loyalty?
I know, isn’t it just awful when those darned Dual Loyalty havin’ Jews don’t take it lying down? But don’t fret, Tony, we don’t need to prevent thuggish attempts at bullying Jews into political ‘acceptability’. See, we don’t need to because we still hold full citizenship and the worst that’s done is precisely a number of mostly anonymous online attempts to intimidate Jews.
How many Jews do ya think newcomer’s managed to get to change their politics out of fear of his slanders? Is it more or less than the amount of evidence for his claim that the Mossad was somehow connected to 9/11?
I do not know what his exact beliefs are, but I find it counter-productive to ascribe any belief regarding “many American Jews,” when the actual words posted could just as easily refer to “some American Jews” or even “a few American Jews.”
It comes too close to an accusation of Jew-baiting or antisemitism to promote a good discussion.