Okay, Brett may not have been a classic beauty, but she seemed like she was loads of fun, between fights. And Klugman’s no prize pig.
When I watch old Match Game episodes, all of 'em peg the needle on the drunk-dar! I never noticed when I was a kid, but it seems like they were all soused.
Good lord, I’m a geek! I’m going to nitpick this one…
He did cheat on his wife. Once. And he felt terribly horribly guilty about it. (I don’t remember whether he decided to tell her or not.)
And it was Mill Valley. Just north of SF, but not in it.
He started writing a letter to Peg only to have Hawkeye stop him.
Also, BJ later was tempted by female reporter Maggie O’Shea (but resisted).
He was just experimenting. Most gay guys try at least one time with a woman.
He also experimented with not having a mustache. Doesn’t prove much.
Oh, yeah, like Michael Stipe resisted all the college girls.
Mike Farrell, who played the role of B.J., is AFAIK, still married to Shelly Fabrey (spelling uncertain) who played the daughter on The Donna Reed Show. She is the niece of Nanette Frabres (spelling uncertain) who had a starring role on The Sid Caesar Show.
I recall that the aunt and niece spell their names differently.
I met Mike Farrell at a benefit. My gaydar, which was refined at Peabody, didn’t even quiver. And Beej gay? Nyaaaaah.
Good for David Ogden Stiers! I think his tastes are a little shallow, but who’s to care? I hope he finds exactly what he wants.
Neither DOS nor his portrayal of Winchester ever pinged nuttin’ with me, and I’m pretty good with the gaydar. Sure, Charles was a bit effete, but he was from Boston. An easy mistake to make. 
Now, Frank Burns, on the other hand … totally overcompensating with Hot Lips. He’s got a self-hating Roy Cohn streak running down his back a mile long.
And my boy B.J. is straight as an arrow. There was the Maggie O’Shea and the Nurse Carrie fling, and then he and Margaret had a bit of a flirty friendship thing going, and I’m sure other nurses appreciated those moments when he was sunning himself topless. Ah, Mike Farrell. Le sigh! My first real crush, aside from Dave Debusschere (sp?) and the animated Robin Hood.
As for that mustache: c’mon, it was the [strike]fifties[/strike] seventies! Men had dubmass mustaches! I suppose Robert Redford and Burt Reynolds were gay too?
In all seriousness: I’m glad DOS came out, if it was important to him to be honest. I echo Zoe completely: I wish him as much happiness as he’s given others with his amazing performances and lovely voice. Even if that happiness means aiming squarely at twinks.
My own nitpick: I never saw Winchester or Stiers as effeminate. Their tastes and mannerisms may have been effete perhaps, but not feminine (i.e. not like Jack McFarland or Nathan Lane’s dread character in Birdcage or Liberace). Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
In real life Stiers is not a Boston Brahmin or anything like but a Peoria farmboy. I find that funny because Peoria is mostly known to the rest of the country as quintessential good ol’ down home folksy Americana America- “Will it play in Peoria?” as opposed to the Gotham of NYC or Hellyweird.
Tony Randall grew up in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Great fussbudgets are born not made.
Good call differentiating between “effete” and “effeminate.”
Another example, which you may or may not agree with–Frasier is effete. Niles is both effete and effeminate.
He didn’t have a mustache when he joined the show, so wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that he experimented with having a mustache?
None of which suggests that he’s gay. If he’d experimented with having a beard on the other hand…
It just occurred to me that his wife’s name was Peg. Kinda phallic, don’t you think?
I’ve always thought that Kelsey Grammer/Grammar was gay.
Something about his wife looks a little barbie dollish.
Proves nothing. Now if his wife looked like GI Joe that would be suspicious.
Charles Emerson Winchester and Frasier Crane are two sides of the same coin, separated by decades and fortune (Frasier seemed like he came from wealth on Cheers but that was mostly retconned away on Frasier when they made his dad a cop) and neither of them ever came across as “effeminate” to me. Sidenote: Hmm, interesting that some of the same writers were involved with developing both Frasier and Charles – Ken Levine and David Isaacs.
Anyway, considering two of the so-called “butchest” guys on Frasier were played by gay actors, the whole “oh the character’s effete so I always suspected the actor must be gay” thing is pretty much a red herring.
Which one? He’s had about 14 I think. (Just looked it up: only 3 official wives, though he has a couple of extra baby mamas that he didn’t marry.)
Continuing the hijack, his wife is a piece of work. I remember an Entertainment Tonight story a few years ago when she was being interviewed after she was pulled out of line and searched at an airport and was briefly arrested because she wouldn’t consent to a body search. They wouldn’t let her board the plane and she had to call her lawyer to avoid having charges pressed. She was talking about her “ordeal” and crying as if she she was discussing having cancer or losing a child or whatever instead of not being able to fly first class somewhere. Actual line from her recounting the horrors of the day: “I kept telling them ‘I’m *Mrs. Kelsey Grammar’! They didn’t care!”
Okay, princess…
In the first place, why wouldn’t you allow a body search? A little cokey wokey in the bra? Or just modest?
In the second place, you know what’d happen if I refused to consent to a body search? I’d probably be discussing how to “pimp this cell” with Tex Watson.
In the third place, while I’ll admit the random searches at airports can tend towards the ridiculous (and I’m speaking from experience: I’ve had the ‘magic number’ a couple of times that got the extra searching- even lost a keyring that had a flashlight on it once because it ‘might’ be contraband for flights), and while I’ll admit that rich anorexic white women are generally only terrorists to flight attendants and or people who sit within earshot of them on the plane, the random searches started for a reason. That was 9/11, and this was a lot closer to 9/11. Do you remember 9/11 ‘Mrs. Kelsey Grammer’? That was that day when a lot of people had like really bad flights you know? And one of them was David Angell, the creator/executive producer/writer of that TV show your husband works for.
Further continuing the hijack, Grammer is I think totally an Ed McMahon in the making. While he was the highest paid actor on TV and no doubt his residuals for two hit series are substantial (though they decrease significantly and rapidly after so many viewings I understand) he apparently spends it like it was Monopoly money. His Malibu place alone is several acres and currently on the market for $20 million, and he has a condo in the studio, a place in NYC, this placeon Long Island, an Aspen house, and this placein Maui. A divorce from Bulimia Barbie, or problems with some of his kids, or a recurrence of his substance abuse problems, regular fluctuations of stock, etc., and for all his condemnation of liberal Democrat spending (he’s a staunch Republican) and he might be doing SURREAL LIFE 21 in a few years.
I once saw Jay & his wife Mavis and he told a story about how they were taking a Sunday drive in one of his antique cars. He came to an intersection that was blocked off, but the cop waved him in. He thought “Wow, I’m a big time TV guy. The cop stops other people, but I get through.”
So he starts to drive and realizes he has been waved into the California Gay Pride Parade. Since he is stuck them, he starts waving to the crowd. People are cheering. “Way to go, Jay” “Out of the closet Jay.”
He was very laid back about the whole story, but Mavis sitting next to him was giggling so hard I thought she was going to fall off the chair.