"Soccer" in Europe, Ireland, and the UK

This is about the term, rather than about the game itself. I’ve always heard that this game that Americans call “soccer” is always called “football” on the far side of the Atlantic. However, I recently saw a reproduction of a British sports magazine cover pictured in a different magazine, and it appeared to have “soccer” in one of the headlines. (Sorry, but I can’t recall the title or other info about either magazine, though I’m certain the one did come from the UK.)

Is this term catching on over there (another example of US culture contaminating the world) or is this just a one-time anomaly? If it is starting to see use in Her Majesty’s Domain, is it showing up in Ireland or the Continent as well?

As a British child in the late 70’s - 80’s, I can remember that both terms were used. Usually, you said football, but saying soccer was not uncommon. Although we’d never say soccer ball (in reference to the actual ball), we’d just say football.

I never even knew of the existance of American football until the year that that fridge guy was playing… for some reason the super bowl got a lot of media attention that year…

BTW, it’s not just in Europe that they call it football… I remember reading somewhere that outside of Canada/USA, it’s called football everywhere… even after living in North America for many years, I still say American Football… I refuse to call a game that barely uses your foot just plain “football” <g>

It’s always been football here in England.
We also play rugby football (called Rugby, or Rugby Union to separate it from Rugby League)

I remember when American football was first broadcast (John Riggins scored several touchdowns* for the Washington Redskins). Probably from then on the word soccer started to be used if there was possible confusion with the US sport.

Aren’t the Australian football team called the socceroos?

  • and why call it that when you only have to cross the plane?!

soccer has been a slang term for football in England for a very long time; I think it has been adopted as the ‘international’ name to avoid confusion with American football (where, interestingly, the foot and the ball seem to make very rare contact, but no matter)

I have heard that “soccer” originally was a British slang term, essentially a shortening of “association football.” I believe I read this in a reputable source, but I don’t have a reference at hand right now. (So I hope I’m not perpetuating a UL.)

I too have heard this. For what it’s worth.

The word “soccer” is short for “association football”. The term did originate in England in 1889. So seeing the word “soccer” in a British sports magazine is an example of British culture contaminating Britain.

I think Football is just what you call the dominant code of the game played where you live.

In Australia, no fewer than four different games are popular: Australian Rules Football, Rugby League, Rugby Union, and Soccer. In Sydney, Rugby League is the most popular, so that’s what I think of when I hear “football”. In Melbourne, it would be Australian Rules. The others are called by their name. American Football isn’t popular here. We just call it “American Football”, or “Grid Iron” (is that the same thing?).

But as mentioned in a previous post, I think in any of the games, the ball is simply the football.

Yeah, in America, the term gridiron is another term for the football field. Anyone know why?

The Word Detective on gridiron. One thing he missed mentioning in that column is that about the time the word was first used, football fields were often lined longitudinally as well as laterally. That gave the fields a grid look that is missing today.

well, the governing body of football the world over is called Federation International de Football Association or FIFA, and the world cup of the sport is known as the football World Cup. and I call it football. I dislike the word soccer being used in place of football. but that’s just me… what say we hold a match here on the straight dope with those who call it soccer vs those who call it football ?

Quite right. From the **New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary **

From what I recall, I believe that the name of the sport is football all over the world except in the United States, Canada, Australia (I believe) and Italy. It’s “futbol” in Spanish, Voetbal (I think) in Dutch or German, foosball etc. For Italians, they play “calcio.”

What’s the difference between Rugby League and Rugby Union, if I may ask? Over here we have (very) limited exposure–mostly college teams–to clubs that play “rugby,” but which is it that they are playing, I wonder?

I used to love watching Australian Rules Football, by the way, but I can’t ever seem to find it anymore on ESPN, where I used to see it all the time. I found myself rooting for the Sydney Swans, as they always seemed to lose whenever I watched.

A friend also introduced me to “Gaelic football,” yet another form of football. It was similar in some ways to Aussie, if I recall, but the ball was round rather than oblong, and the scoring was by kicking the ball either through (soccer style) or above (American football field-goal style) the goalposts. My friend told me that annually, one Gaelic team and one Aussie team would play each other, alternating years to decide whose rules they’d use.

As noted in various places, including the online Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary, soccer is a shortening and alteration of the term “association”. In the late-mid 1800’s, a split occurred among England’s public schools regarding the rules to be used to play “football”. Football, of course, had been played in various forms for centuries in England (usually a game between two towns who started kicking the ball somewhere between the towns in an attempt to get the ball to one town’s center square). The Italians had a similar game called calcio, and most cultures have had some sort of kick the ball game. But in the early 1800’s, England’s public schools decided that football, among other sports, when refined with some rules, was a classic game for teaching young men how to be young gentlemen through use of sport (a classic Victorian theme). I’ll omit references too numerous to mention; you can get this information from any decent encyclopedia.

When the schools played in house, they used their own rules. When they played among each other, they had to agree to a set of rules for the match. As time went by, attempts were made to come up with a uniform set of rules for playing among the various public schools. But a schism developed between those schools which thought that “football” should include the ability to pick the ball up and carry it, with an associated need to “tackle” the opponent by wrestling him to the ground, whereupon he was obligated to give up the ball, and those schools who thought “football” should be devoid of the use of hands, as well as any really physical play such as “hacking” the player with possession by kicking him in the shins, etc. The lead school in favor of playing pick the ball up and carry it football was Rugby, and it ended up leading its faction to the formation of the rules for Rugby football.

As for the other faction, the graduates of those schools ended up wanting to play the game as organized teams representing various athletic clubs. They met and formed a grouping of such clubs, known still as the Football Association (FA for short). The league they created was reported in the papers as “Association football”. Eventually, this was shortened to “Assoc.” football. The British, having a knack for slang terms of similar nature (J.R.R. Tolkein reported similar slang at Oxford during his days there), shortened this to “Asoccer” then simply “soccer”. Merriam-Webster gives the date of first recorded use as 1889.

So, as you see, the Americans have nothing to do with the term’s origin. Of course, it is used in America because it represents an easy way to differentiate the sport from the American form of football, which developed out of the Rugby game during the late 1800’s and early 1900’s. The Socceroos are indeed the Australian national soccer team, where they also have a version of football that is more popular than the game the rest of the world plays. By any name, of course, it is simply the most elegant and most fun game to play or watch… {ducking and running} :wink:

Rugby Union is the more popular brand of Rugby football, played everywhere that Rugby is played around the world. It is the direct descendant of the original game developed at Rugby School (the legend is that one William Webb Ellis, during a game at the school in 1823, picked up the ball and ran with it, an illegal action under the rules of football, but a popular one that soon spread). The Rugby Football Union was formed in England in 1871; the Scottish Fooball Union (later the Scottish Rugby Union) was formed in 1873. Everywhere that the game is played, the governing association is termed a “union”, hence the name of the variant.

In 1895, 22 clubs in Northern England broke away from the RFU and formed the Northern Football Union. The main issue was over “professionalism”, the practice of paying players to play. In this case, it wasn’t so much the idea of paying someone a salary to be a team member as it was compensating team members for lost time from the factories (and important consideration in the more industrialized and somewhat more impovershed north). The NFU became the Rugby Football League in the 1920’s, thus giving this variation the name Rugby League football.

There are a few rules differences. League Rugby has fewer players (13 instead of 15), different points for successful trys and certain other scores, no ruck (maul) occurs upon successfully tackling a player, and there are no “line-outs”; the ball going over the side line (it is stupid to call it a touch line since that term has to do with the ball being “in touch” upon crossing the side line when playing soccer; in Rugby it is already able to be touched :rolleyes: ) results in a scrum.

Rugby League is only played in four countries: England, France, Australia and New Zealand (ok, also Papua New Guinea, but so what). There is no longer a Rugby League World Cup; they now play test matches among the four countries.

There is an old saying (which I do not condone !) " Football (soccer) :- a game for gentlemen played by louts. Rugby :- a game for louts played by gentlemen."

The 2000 Rugby League World Cup was held in the UK. The teams were:

Australia
England
Fiji
Russia
NZ
Wales
Lebanon
Cook Isl.
Papua New Guinea
France
Tonga
Sth. Africa
Ireland
Samoa
Maori
Scotland

Many of these teams were ‘artificial’- the Russian and Lebanese teams were IIRC Aussies of Russian and Lebanese parentage. Wales, Scotland and Ireland don’t play RL, but Welsh, Scottish and Irish players do. Many of the players in the Pacific teams were New Zealand professionals native to (or having once visited) the appropriate island.

In summary it was an artificial tournament which didn’t inspire much interest. However, I believe a 2004 cup is planned in the Southern Hemisphere.

Very true. Here in Ireland Gaelic Football is also called football by some people. Soccer is mostly called football but soccer is sometimes used.

Here in Ireland most people refer to Association Football as football, except when talkin about Gaelic Football in the same conversation, then it’s called Soccer, and Gaelic football is called plain football.

The word Soccer itself comes from asSOCiation.

The game called Australian Rules Football is in fact a modified version on Gaelic football, as the posts in Aussie Rules where they score are the same as the old-style Gaelic Football posts, but the Gaelic posts changed to the way they appear today, like rugby posts.

The reason the Aussie game developed was because the British used to send Irish Criminals to Australia, where they played the only game they knew, but witha rugby ball!!

Yeah, the point about whatever code is most popular is what gets the name “Football” is very true, but with two codes dominant in Ireland, we call them both football, except when talking about them both, then we call soccer soccer.