I mean “marijuana should be legalized”, and “marijuana isn’t useful as medicine except in a few cases”, and “it is silly to pretend that most marijuana users want it for medicine”.
Regards,
Shodan
Where have you been? It is legal in Colorado (I had to look if this was a zombie too). Yes there are med MJ shops too. They are regulated differently. Mostly because it is currently taxed diffently.
And FYI MJ has been used medicinally for thousands of years. In my life, most recently for my 84 year old mother.
If I can’t walk down the street drinking a beer, why should they be able to walk down the street smoking a joint?
Sure. And if you can go into a bar to drink a beer, why can’t they go into a par to smoke a bowl? That’s the question at the core of the OP article.
I didn’t see that being requested. The outside smoking areas at bars raises an interesting conundrum, as non-users could raise legitimate objections about exposure to the smoke.
I agree; I disagree, but frankly we don’t know enough yet; I agree, but no one here is doing this.
So again, what’s the relevance here? Are you suggesting when you say “marijuana should be legalized” that you support legalizing marijuana consumption in bars, as the article in the OP discusses?
Whoops, my bad. In that case, consumables should be fine. Knock yourself out (perhaps literally), but could run afoul of establishments which state “No outside food or drink.” Perhaps the equivalent of a corkage fee… Smoking, not so much, if they have laws against smoking (anything). Out on the smoking deck, sure. Possible complications will arise if there turn out to be issues with second-hand smoke showing up on random drug scans.
It is illegal on the federal level.
So have placebos.
Regards,
Shodan
Why are you so determined to hijack this thread? It seems like a perfectly reasonable debate to me…
Still, if you REALLY want to hijack it, I’ve got this idea about freezing the brains of pot smokers and then creating computers to simulate them.
-VM
I live in LA and I smell weed pretty often when I’m out, especially if I’m at a show or club. I assume it’s similar in all of the metropolitan areas in the US. I actually smell weed more often than cigarette smoke so I doubt the laws are doing much to stop public smoking anyway. However, I do feel like there is a certain amount of goodwill that should be offered by the smoking community. I wouldn’t light up in a park although I know people who do. For the most part, people don’t seem bothered by the public weed smoking here in LA but there are a few people who I’ve seen complain about headaches from 2nd hand weed smoke or people who just hate the smell and I think it’s only right to skirt that sort of oppression. I think licensed MJ bars are a great idea so that people can still enjoy themselves in a social environment, even in smaller cities.
Not to single out any one poster, because everyone does this, but can we just all agree that we all know that marijuana is illegal on a Federal level? It doesn’t have to be posted in every single thread that addresses marijuana. We know.
Medical marijuana is illegal Federally, too, but it has been prescribed and dispensed mostly without incident for 20 years.
Yes, maybe Mike Huckabee will get elected President and name John Bolton as Attorney General and may make medical/recreational MJ illegal as their top priority, but a meteor may break up and strike every outlet in 23 states and DC while leaving every tobacco and liquor store untouched.
We get it. You’re not adding anything useful to the conversation.
You got some seeds in your last bag, didn’t you?
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I wouldn’t mind having a smoke outside of my home personally.
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That’s the only place I smoke it…on the front or back porch, since my wife doesn’t want to smell it in the house. And I live in Florida. Civil disobedience is a thing.
What if I own a bar and cater to those wanting to smoke cigarettes? People who don’t want to be around smoking would know to avoid my place as well but the law (in most places) doesn’t allow that.
So I guess that leaves outdoors areas. I’m not sure of the law, but one is allowed to smoke weed at home or outside of your home in Colorado, right? Can a visitor do the same outside of a hotel?
Public intoxication is legal and localities are forbidden to ban it in Colorado and Oregon, so your bloodshot eyes are safe and no need to wear sunglasses around cops. It looks like it is illegal in Alaska and subject to some technicalities in Washington, but I make no claims for my ability to interpret legalese.
Note that public intoxication is often a separate thing from actively drinking in public. You can stumble around all you want in Nevada (as long as you aren’t acting dangerously), but you can get cited for sipping off a bottle outside (unless permitted during certain periods or certain areas such as the Strip).
The big problem there is that there is no established method of determining a threshold for marijuana intoxication like there is for alcohol (BAC). For both drugs, physical signs of intoxication can be used which is good enough for now but hopefully we can figure out a more objective measure.
What always annoyed me about this concern is that there isn’t any big drive to develop roadside tests for the many other legal drugs that could affect someone’s driving. Not to mention the fact that the argument against impaired driving is the drop in judgement and reaction time yet neither of those are tested when obtaining a license.
I totally agree. I don’t want to sound like a crotchety old man but a lot of the people in Hollywood drive like cokeheads and that seems way more dangerous than a pothead behind the wheel.
Lamar, I’d like to talk to you about your TPS reports. Did you get the memo?
Unfortunately, as presented it does not tell us much. I would like to know:
What’s the overall change in DUI citations?
After alcohol, what are other substances were cited, and at what level?
One needs to tease out how many people are DUI pot because it is legal. Not easy, but if the overall rate of DUI stays flat, you could just have conversion from people who don’t take DUI seriously and now that pot is legal are simply busted for that this time.
Of course, we could see an increase as people are less afraid to DUI pot now that it’s legal- I just can’t tell from that link
We’re treading a very thin line here in Colorado, even allowing home use. When you start allowing a controlled/banned/illegal/whatever substance to be freely consumed in a public place, you bring in liability concerns, licensing concerns, all sorts of legalities that haven’t yet been thought through. There is lots of research being done here on what the next step will be and how to take it, but while it can mimic alcohol laws to a certain extent, they aren’t parallel. MJ is still illegal on a federal level. The feds are turning a largely blind eye to in-the-home consumption. After all it was going on anway, and raiding individual residences or shaking down a guy walking down the street with a couple of joints in his pocket, doesn’t really aid in drug control and is a time and money suck for LEOs. But it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that if we start pushing it out into public areas, we will draw the attention of the Feds in a NY minute.