No. It doesn’t trump his crimes. But, that humanity is still there. He is still more than his crimes against you.
Your sentiments in this reflect on you, not those who’s grave you dance on.
No. I don’t think that. Just because I’m against one attitude doesn’t mean I’m for it’s opposite. Why should you mourn a man or men for which you have such a deep and abiding emnity?
Where did I say you should?
Bottom line is that a controversial human being has died. Like you, doubtless, he had good and bad in him.
To celebrate his passing in such a fashion reflects on you, and you alone. It demeans you and your humanity.
Yeah, that’s it.
I’d be right here saying the exact same thing except not as gently to the assholes dancing on her grave, and I’d be especially pissed because as a Republican and no fan of Hillary their actions might be construed by some to reflect on me.
That is, to put it mildly, absurd. Indeed, there is widespread agreement by everyone here that Thurmond’s views on homosexuality and race were unequivocally wrong. And to the extent it’s possible to see the world through another’s eyes, I think we pretty much understand why a gay person would feel a stronger emotional response to Thurmond’s death.
No one’s suggested that you look at the world from Thurmond’s POV – no one’s suggested, for example, that you consider segregation to be acceptable, or gays unworthy of equal protection under the law. They’ve simply suggested that basic humanity dictates showing a modicum of magnamity upon the passing of a fellow human being.
You must think quite alot of yourself to imagine that you are “oppressed” by “evil men”. You are surely overstating your true position there by a mile.
You’re not the fucking French proletariat getting run over by aristocrats’ carriages. You’re not a worker in a fucking gulag who got shipped to Siberia because some KGB dickface heard you question the Communist leadership. You’re not some shopkeeper in Phnom Penh who was looted and murdered when the Khmer Rouge swept into town. You aren’t hiding in a cellar holding your breath so the Schutzpolizei can’t hear you. Mao Tse-Tung didn’t murder your family as part of his Cultural Revolution. You weren’t run over by a tank in Tiennamen Square. Pancho Villa didn’t ride into town with his bandits and rape your women. You aren’t bones in some Iraqi pit. Torquemada does not have you on the rack for spouting heresy. You’re not one of the whores drug out of their homes and forced to service Genghis Khan’s army. You weren’t forced off your land and marched halfway across a continent to live on a strip of desert in Oklahoma while you watched half your family die of dyssentery. Your 10 year old child hasn’t been drafted into some African warlord’s army, given a broken rifle and sent to the front to die in some pointless tribal war.
You want to start talking about “evil men” and “oppressors”, we can start there. Don’t fucking give me Strom Thurmond. Get the fuck over yourself.
Not me. I don’t ask you to see anything from Strom’s POV. Why the fuck should you?
Cut the hyperbole please. I’m not mourning. Nobody else here is mourning. Nobody here is demanding theat you mour, weep, shed a tear or anything like that.
Your assertions to the contrary are false and dodging the issue.
This is not about Strom. It’s about you. Your taking public pleasure in his death reflects badly on you.
Hey it’s not just gays who are being irreverent about the old bollocks
I thought he was a wanker before he died and I still hold that opinion. I have no respect for the guy. I have read about his history. Respect is earned not just granted because you stop breathing.
Rex, you might wish to look a bit deeper into the difference between a motion for summary judgment at circuit court, which for the most part is sandbox law, and an appeal to the highest court in the land on a matter with broad social, political and legal ramifications.
Fuck off, RexDart. It took a Supreme court decision to give me that same privacy in my home that you enjoy as a matter of course. When you are arrested in yoru home for having sex with a consenting female of legal age, then you might know what I’m talking about. Until then fuck off. As long as I am treated as a lesser citizen because of who I am, I’m going to speak up. Of course, with this latest SC decision, mybe the day will come when that wil no longer be necessary.
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That is, to put it mildly, absurd. Indeed, there is widespread agreement by everyone here that Thurmond’s views on homosexuality and race were unequivocally wrong.
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No, there has been widespread agreement that Thurmond’s views on homosexuality and race should be ignored.
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And to the extent it’s possible to see the world through another’s eyes, I think we pretty much understand why a gay person would feel a stronger emotional response to Thurmond’s death.
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You’re the first person to say so.
Well, there is something to that, of course, but I grow tired of the idea that the burden of respect is on us and not him.
What would prefer, silence? That his legacy of hate not be mentioned? That we maintain a quiet respect for a dead man and gloss over his entire career as a hatemonger?
I had no respect for him when he was alive, and I don’t see why that should change now that he has died.
Well, it’s not like I’m jerking off to his obituary. I simply see no reason to pull a long face and speak of “dignity” and “humanity” when refering to a man who believed that I had neither.
Then you simply aren’t paying attention. Every single news article, retrospective, obituary, etc, etc, etc, that I’ve seen to date spent considerable time noting Thurmond’s ignomious role in American race relations and his overall social conservatism. No one’s “ignoring” anything.
You can note and sternly disapprove of the deceased’s political and social views without dancing on the man’s grave.
A lot of the states had sodomy laws that are used to prosecute both heterosexual and homosexual acts. I wasn’t aware that you had been arrested in your home and am sorry to hear that. No one’s got problems with your “speaking out”, but outside of murders and baby rapists, funeral celebrations are pretty crass things.
And ditto for everything that Guin said in this thread.
I suggested no such thing. I proposed a hypothetical response on the part of right wing assholes.
What happened to this:
What yould your response be if GWB announced the successful assassination of Saddam? “Saddam was a fellow human being, and we shouldn’t take joy at his passing.”?
I am not a Christian. I therefore have no obligation whatsoever to love all of humanity as if they were my siblings.
So I feel no guilt at all when I enjoy a small twinge of happiness and joy that the Honorable Wrinkled Old Ballsac from South Carolina has finally shuffled off this mortal coil. Now to wait for his colleague from North Carolina to follow. And I don’t apologize for that, either.
Personally, I think that Thurmond really did have a change of heart near the end. After all, he died during Pride month, obviously as a gift for all of us homos!
Did this happen to you? If not, shouldn’t you fuck off as well?
You just don’t fucking get it, do you? There is no burden of respect. What the fuck does “burden of respect” mean anyway.
If you’re a hateful shitbag, then you’re a hateful shitbag. It doesn’t matter whether you hate gays or Strom Thurmond, and just hating “bad people” isn’t a fucking excuse, because it has nothing to do with the target of hatred.
Taking pleasure in the misfortune of others makes you vile. It doesn’t matter who they are.
Oh, but of course that’s different. It has been interesting to see the qualifiers finally start to come out on page six, eh? First it was just disrespectful to be happy about a human death, but now it’s except in cases where I believe the person is truly evil, not just semi-evil.
