Soldiers, including medics, using or applying opium from slashed poppies

A Marine vet of Vietnam (who was a medic, come to think of it) told me that when some down time was seriously needed, he and others would make some surface slashes on their arm, slice an opium bulb, shmoosh it all over that area, take a banana leaf to wrap the arm, wrap that with a bandana, and wait 15 minutes to stupor.

Previously he told me that in 1967 he was in the Mekong Delta.

He then told me his nephew, a medic during the Afghanistan War, did the same (perhaps with finer instruments and bandages–he didn’t say) as an analgesic for wounded soldiers during terrible firefights when the morphine ran out. (Or did one time; can’t remember.)
Can anyone comment on these anecdotes? He’s clean now, and has always been honest with me.

Morphine ran out? Most of the time, the medics don’t even carry morphine. There is no way a medic would try to medicate with some random poppy bulbs. For proper treatment, it is necessary to know the exact dosage that a patient has received and when. This is especially important with opiates. There is no way the medic could control or even know what does the patient received. The medic would lose his job and probably face criminal charges for pulling such a stunt. Both Medevac and emergency resupply are so readily available, that this would never even be an issue. If morphine or other medical supplies were so desperately needed on the battlefield, they could be more easily pushed out of a helicopter than made from scratch out of native plants.
Not to mention the fact that I have never even heard a rumor of such a thing–for recreation or necessity. If something like this had actually happened, I am sure there story would be told and retold a million times. Hell, I’ve heard about using rice water in place of IV solution for crying out loud, I’d think I would have heard of this.

Was this at the same time/place? I thought opium poppies grew best in the highlands of southeast Asia, where moist, well-drained soils with good sun exposure provide a good environment for the plant - I would have thought the Mekong Delta would be too wet, making the plants too likely to be waterlogged, and maybe too shady/overgrown for good opium cultivation.

I wouldn’t rule it out, but maybe this person wasn’t just in the Mekong Delta? Or maybe some opium plants do actually grow there? I’ve never been there, so I couldn’t really say.

Yes, that part I thought was bullshit told by someone trying to one-up his uncle.

I also thought that the recreational use in that manner I would have heard of. Strange.

Would slashing the opium bulbs and applying to an exposed wound even work? I thought there was a little more to the processing of the poppy involved. If anything, that would be a strong poppy as with most plants that can do this the yield is typically small requiring refinement.

I’ve done some Googling around, including some hard-core drug abuser sites, and using the raw latex has not been mentioned once.

Medics with the US Marines were (and are) not Marines at all, but Sailors. Specifically, they were/are Navy Corpsmen. There is no such thing as a “Marine who was a medic”.

Corpsmen can wear uniforms that are essentailly the same as Marine uniforms when on field operations with the Marines.

Right. I am not sure if it would do anything. You’d have to have a lot of the raw latex to do anything when applied like that.

Most Marine activity in Vietnam was in the Central Highlands. There is a true poppy of the American Southwest called prickly poppy used in native medicine as a mildly sedating tea. Guys from my (bad) neighborhood who went to Vietnam said there was no problem getting any drug you wanted at any time, that cold beer was the hardest to come by. China White was so pure you didn’t even have to inject it, let alone slash your arms. Any minor wound in the conditions prevalent in the Mekong Delta quickly infected, according to Col. Hackworth.

Didn’t read the thread so if this has been addressed already I apologize. But I was a Marine in Vietnam.

The Marines don’t have medics, they have Corpsmen. All medical help for Marines is supplied by the Navy. If he was a Corpsman he was Navy. If he was a Marine he wasn’t a Corpsman.

As far as I know no Marines were stationed in the Mekong Delta during the war. Very few were ever used more than 50ish miles south of Danang.

Sounds like BS to me.

Actually, I think both stories are B.S.

Several friends who served in Vietnam have all said that many drugs were readily available, and quite cheap, in Vietnam. And as a medic,he would have had clean hypodermics available, so why wouldn’t he inject the opium, rather than slash his arm and bandage it with a banana leaf – risking an infection (which was also extremely common in Vietnam, these friends told me).

Talked to the guy again. Look, I’m not his attorney (nor is this a trial, of course), but I know him to be a man of integrity and, I dare say honor. He’s not the kind of guy who would say he could pop a man’s head off with a twist.

And I also did an hour or two of Google and Google scholar search on “scratch,” of course, and the application of raw (not dried) latex poppy, in the Vietnam War or in other places or time, and came up empty.

So,

About his basic medical first aid skills, last year on the street he stabilized a car accident woman with all her teeth smashed in, skull fracture, and one eyeball hanging out of its socket, which I know is true because later I talked to one of the EMTs who hustled her to the hospital. Anyway, that’s not all that important. Until last month he was still walking around with bullet fragments. Again, I just saw some scars; he’s dying of cancer and is in and out of the VA hospital.

First: I was wrong about his nephew in Afghanistan. The nephew told him he tried the poppy latex thing once on himself only.

Some more answers to the questions I asked directly from this thread. (His entire conversation on this, I might add, was prefaced with something like “let those fuckers come and talk to me. I was there, they weren’t.” Not aggressive, just a little sad.)

Second: he and the other soldiers did not make slashes on their arms. He said they scraped the edge carefully over their forearm (can’t remember top or bottom) till the skin was raw enough.

Each “scratch” was the term for one poppy slashed with four longitudinal cuts equally spaced. He said of course heroin was available everywhere. He did not use it because a) he didn’t want to be a junkie, and b) more importantly, he couldn’t get fucked up for so long and be useless.

Per scratch, fifteen minutes to kick in, half an hour to bliss out and be relatively functional.

[About the heroin, he (and another vet standing with us), mentioned the huge amounts of heroin shipped in body bags for distribution outside country, as well as, presumably, coffins. Never heard that, and worth another thread.]

He also repeated that he would do the scratch thing on his wounded men, regardless of later complications, when the morphine had either run out because of the shitload of wounded, or when it ran out because the syringes had been stolen by soldiers using them to get fucked up.

He said he joined in 1966 and left in 1975, by 1969-70 a gunny in 3rd Recon. I Wiki’ed it and read and showed it to him–either he’s a nutball who memorized the whole thing, or he’s not (eg, he said he was part of a prisoner rescue, and foretold or corroborated almost every other point mentioned); he added to the account that training also took place in Belize, Venezuela, and Columbia; and that the patch he wore early on (he described it first) was as shown in that article for unit’s earlier designation, the 13th, but said when they wore it it had a dagger going through it at an angle.

That’s what I got.

Another correction and an update.

I got the story of the effect wrong. On one scratch (four longitudinal cuts of one poppy), he told me, it was 20 minutes to kick in and “two to three hours” of eyes-rolled up zoning out. “Set-up the Claymores, two guys stay straight and man the perimeter.”

Also, I got in touch by email with someone who is doubtless the world’s authority – certainly in English – on “indigenous” drug use in Laos, as well as being a pre-eminent psychiatrist studying the epidemiology of addiction in servicemen during the Vietnam War.

I need to contact him again to ask his permission to reprint here or summarize his comments to me, as well as clarify some points in his response, if he is willing.