Some ideas on defeating ISIS

Great Debates
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It is clear to me that military intervention will not work. USA/NATO created the conditions for ISIS to form with the war in Iraq. I think another war will only make things worse. All we have done is created a trillion-dollar game of whack a mole with all these various wars in the middle east.

  1. Use public funds to bring back the oil wells that have been decommissioned since the price went down. Sell this oil on the global market as cheap as possible. ISIS gets their money from oil, and if we can bring the price down, they will suffer. This won’t be cheap, but it costs less than all-out war, which seems to be the favored solution.
  2. Work with telecom companies to cut them off. The attack in Paris couldn’t have happened if they didn’t have internet. Anyone who is determined to be in ISIS should have all social media accounts deleted as well. This also will hurt their recruitment.
  3. Japan should place an embargo on the effected areas. ISIS uses Playstations to communicate, and drives Toyotas. This would eventually cripple them.
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Sic Anonymous on them.

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Let Russia deal with it?

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ISIS will be defeated by time. It’s built for a short, fiery existence, not a long slog of building a new nation.

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this is a parody, yes?

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What roll did NATO have with creating ISIS?

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Nuke 'em from orbit?

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Helping in the Iraq war. Which created a power vacuum, that paved the way for ISIS.

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I notice that a lot of clothes worn by ISIL members use cotton. We should implement a world-wide cotton registration scheme.

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You are confused.

The NATO was not engaged in the American Iraq war.

The NATO engaged in the Afghanistan intervention.

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Allow Saudi Arabia and Iran to have the war they’ve always wanted to decide regional dominance.

Politically separate Iraq along the religious and ethnic lines that divide it already.
Hmmmm, what other cures are worse than the disease?

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what about blends?

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No. The US and the Coalition of the Willing went and screwed up Iraq. From here : http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030325-9.html

Afghanistan
Albania
Angola
Australia
Azerbaijan
Bulgaria
Colombia
Costa Rica
Czech Republic
Denmark
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Japan
Kuwait
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Marshall Islands
Micronesia
Mongolia
Netherlands
Nicaragua
Palau
Panama
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Rwanda
Singapore
Slovakia
Solomon Islands
South Korea
Spain
Tonga
Turkey
Uganda
Ukraine
United Kingdom
Uzbekistan

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Depends on the ratio of cotton to synthetics.

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Sounds like some cells are using PS3 chat groups for private communication. So perhaps FPS trolls have a role to play here.

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What if there is wool involved?
What is the tipping percentage point where polyster is not hala for the takfiri.
I think research is needed.

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I think a group like ISIS needs to be dealt with using many of the same ideas and expectations that we use against organized crime. You wouldn’t eliminate the mafia just by invading Sicily. You have to think of it as a slow process in which you

  1. methodically take out the heads of the organization and their replacements
  2. attack the most profitable and most harmful practices of the organization first
  3. prevent infiltration and corruption of your law-abiding organizations (with ISIS, I think this includes the Muslim religion policing itself)
  4. get the population used to idea of the rule of law; they have to be persuaded over time that the thugs can be fought and that law enforcement can protect them

And, unfortunately, you’re looking at a timeline in the decades to resolve the problem.

We thought Iraq would be different because we focused on Saddam Hussein… but we discovered that the underlying tribalism and religious divides made it a much more complicated issue.

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I’m sure they said the same thing about the Bolsheviks…

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It’s not difficult to defeat ISIS. The rub is in filling out the power vacuum afterwards and ensuring the Islamists don’t just metastasize under another name six months later.

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the bolsheviks achieved sympathy in their target audiences and achieved control of a major nation quickly. The Daesh do not and did not.

if you want to find bad analogies, it is better to look at the anarchist movements.