Ok, so I joined an Islamic forum a while ago and much like the Iraq war, I’ve become bogged down in arguments and debates of how corrupt hellish and morally bankcrupt the west is, and how our military is nothing short of the SS in all but name, and how our Secular society is nothing more than a godless tyranny which can be solved with implementing Shariah law and full scale conversions to Islam.
I tried, I really did try to be tolerant, maybe understand from their point of view, but after a while I got sick of hearing how my society sucked by the very Muslims who lived in it. I got sick to death of all the stupid stereotypes of how Westerners were all naked hippie business devils who happen to rule the world with the Jews.
So then I have a change of tact, I decide to call them on their own faults, do I see an admission of guilt? Do I see some sort of reflection of reconciliation?
NO!
I see more of the same tirades, more bashing the West, how the Americans are all evil along with the Jews, more crap about how some caliphate was the centre of civilization hundreds of years ago, bringing up stuff I don’t care about, telling me how again and again 9/11 was caused by Zionists and Mossad.
Hers an excerpt of what the average person on this board thinks of the Western lifestyle
'not many because abuse in the family does not occur in muslim families…and if it does it is very rare and not islamic…the sanctity of the family is protected in Islam…and you don’t find kids that are sexually molested in muslim countries…that is unheard of…oh i knw for most non muslims this is hard to believe…since you stereotype muslim men as “wife bashers”…but believe it or not that is those are the true fact… ’
‘People who follow Quran’n and sunnah never cheat, weather they are in Antarctica or in Soudiarabia.
BTW common westerner doesn’t follow Christianity or Islam, their religion is Capitalism. Tha’s why they have this wired, animal culture’
One of my friends, who knows alot about the religion and came up with valid points had this tirade launched at him, he was then banned for promoting Zionism
‘Certainly signs that Changeling has been abused in some way. Or perhaps neglected and allowed to fall intoi that abyss of the teenage wasteland. A culture which swallows up our youths in drugs and other moral deprivations. Perhaps we’ll show him more kindness and seeing the gentler side of Islam, he’ll be moved and come to God on his own and be healed.’
And then I get insulted too. On Secularist government.
‘You are a bloody crusader. Your obsession with individualism (or secuarism, as you called it) only broadens the reproach you have for the “lineal” thinking which allows for the expression of true sexual freedom under the protection of marriage and chastity’
On my belief that religion shouldn’t intertwine with government. And a members answer.
’ Fundementally, the code of conduct which comes from religion must be practiced in all aspects of one’s life, whether in business, at home or in social scenarios. Otherwise it is nothing but hypocracy. Your failure to connect Religion with Social Responsibility, as you labeled it, has the bitter flavor of American style culture innovation. This is the sort of mental confusion about morality and ethics
which Islam protects us from. Unfortunately, you cannot begin to relate to that civilized concept due to the pot smoking, infanticidal, spouse cheating community that reared you. And by the way, were you raised by a single mother? ’
Well, what am getting sick of is turning the other cheek for intolerant bastards who think that I should respect them even though they disrespect me. I’m sick of having to apologise for my society and its beliefs, its culture and how it people immgrate all over the world to it and then complain about its morals and ethics. I brought up the example of the Sudanese crisis to say we aren’t completely in it for the money, and they still turned it into some satanic war against Islam. I’m sick of my society being labelled a demonic sex abuse hellhole, and then how they go on about how there Muslims society is the best thing since sliced bread.
I’m sick of being ashamed of being told my society is the first step to eternal damnation.
I know not all muslims are like this, but the fact the some of them won’t budge one bit on their non-sensical stances such as OBL and Al Queda, to the repression of their own societies, drives me up the wall.
