Some Q's /help me make "super"-sodium percarbonate

Hi all,
it’s 5:30 on Christmas so pardon the abruptness or my getting to the point and all.

first let me refer all interested to this link
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=236244&highlight=sodium+percarbonate

Now let me say, I’ve done PLENTY of reading, I just want straight answers, no more searching pleeeease. That beening said:

Why is the Alkai content increased in Sodium Percarbonate and why does this improve it’s cleanning properties?

Does Sodium Percarbonate have any advantage over straight Peroxide? What is my best chance at taking a good thing and making it better namely oxi-clean. oxi-boost etc, etc… I’m looking for a higher concentration (I can always dilute it)

thanks in advance all and Merry Christmas!

If you’re looking sodium percarbonate formulations with more kick simply get something that has a higher concentration of the active ingredient.

Sodium percarbonate laundry bleachs (ie Oxyclean etc) are typically 25% sodium percarbonate. There are various cleaning products (with higher leves of hazard) that are up to 100% sodium percarbonate.

See

The Chemistry Store - Sodium Percarbonate Formulations

Yes, this is very helpful- sadly it would have saved me I lot of browsing of corporate material safety sheets and lectured uses… So yes this link is great Astro, but it really doesn’t address my questions above since I am always asking questions… Correct me if I’m wrong, but from what I gleaned in my “research” Sodium Percarbonate’s main advantage seems to be that it as closely as possible has the power of regular (not mainstream variety) Hydrogen Peroxide in a more convenient solid form, perhaps lighter to ship as well since the water portion will be largely added later.

So this in many ways is telling me to abandon all this “mad-scientist” stuff and just find myself a good concentrated H2o2 solution. As far as I can tell it is the better “oxi-clean” and the chemists who made the solid form increased the alkalinity of said product to compensate, for some of the “punch” lost in the conversion… (my theories, no sites) I’m just get this impression based on the wording I had to work with. I am genuinely interested in everything I posted questions for, plus any other "chemist-nerd " facts about derivatives and like products… I’ve got maybe too much time on my hands it seems, because I have been pulling some long hours with all kinds of information threads with loose ends (somewhat resembling my own head, :stuck_out_tongue: ) So fire away with the info I am pretty well studied up on the basics here and should be able to follow along with very little “hand-holding”

If I fall behind I’ll be the “straight dope” this entire site was named for, so what? the price of embarrassment weighed against the wisdom obtained (assuming it is quality intel :rolleyes: ) “brilliant”- having a credit card that doesn’t bounce after Christmas “priceless” :smiley:

So you see, I can achieve the desired result, but then I would still have questions and want to know why… In some respects I suppose I never grew-up, lol

Later all!

Please do not mistake “capacity” for “avidity” in chemical properties. For example, pure hydrpogen peroxides (or strengths of 30% or more) are far more corrosive and unstable than an amount of most common oxidants that have an equivalent oxidizing capacity. Just FYI, I’m not saying that this is the direction your experiments will take.

I could be more helpful if you told us a little more about what you’re looking for. Otherwise I run the risk of oversimplifying precisely the details you are most interested in, and thereby misleading you (and I’m already over my quota for being beaten with a ball peen hammer this year)

For example, the bleaching ability of peroxide, operates though creation of an oxygen free radical – an oxygen atom with an unbound pair of free electrons, [O: vs O[sup]-[/sup] (I won’t go into the details be cause it’s probably not what you’re interested in) Interestingly the chlorine in chlorine bleach [5% aqueous sodium hypochlorite] actually doesn’t do most of the bleaching; it, too, produces oxygen free radicals [which ultimately come from the oxygen in the water, not the bleach].

Chlorine bleach and hydrogen peroxide are more corrosive [to the substrate fabric or surface] than sodium perchlorate because of the avidity of their chemical reactions, not the density. Their avidity allows them to participate in more undesirable side reactions (or at higher rates] than a milder bleaching agent.

Again, for purposes of illustration I’ve assumed that bleaching is the process you are interested in. This is not the only (or in some settings, primary) mechanism by which sodium perchlorate cleans.

Hi KP,
I emailed ya on the issue, I hope you got it. Merry Christmas/happy New year’s everyone!! :cool: