Some Trump Supporter Please Explain This to Me

Politics & Elections
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I know Trump supporters believe deeply that the media is biased and smearing Trump at every turn. I also know that because of this belief that many Trump voters truely believe that Trump is not a liar, bad person/business man and that he is unwavering and solid in his convictions to “make America great again”.

Yet for the life of me… and in all seriousness, no kidding or bashing meant… how can literally ANY adult human being not be concerned with the myriad of undeniable and factual examples of Trump’s pandering/flip flopping, the latest just a few days AFTER he won the election? Even if you still support him and hate Hillary, how can you not see he is not a con artst at best and borderline mentally ill/stupid at worst?

This latest example boggles my mind… After spending the entirety of the campaign rallying supporters into a frenzy over a rigged system and tweeting that the electoral college is “disaster for democracy”, now that he has won, he calls the system genius (link below).

I am starting to believe that he REALLY could “shoot somebody and not lose votes”. I do not mean to degrade the Trump supporters, but how fucking stupid/brainwashed do you have to be to not see him for what he is after literally dozens of clear and outright examples?

Heck, I will even buy your “he is a better choice than Hillary by far” and “lesser of two evils” routine if you will just admit what he is. Yet all i hear and see from that crowd is how great he is, what an amazing business man he is, how he is a man of honor and principals and will be true to his word. :smack:

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This was never about Trump winning-This was about Clinton losing. Trump was merely the tool used to do it, and they really didn’t give a shit about what he said or did as long as what he said and did accomplished the desired goal. The ends justified the means for them.

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All the reports of his “failures” comes through the extremely dishonest, disloyal and unfair media.

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Ever heard the old adage that starts with: “you can please some of the people all of the time…”?

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Who’s “they”? The media?

Regards,
Shodan

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Even his own tweets? Are we to believe that Ted Turner is in control of his twitter account? :smiley:

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Plenty of people in this country are dumb and petty enough that they don’t really mind suffering, as long as they know the people they don’t like are suffering more. Only the truly dumb and deluded think that Trump will actually improve their lives – the rest are just satisfied knowing that even if he doesn’t, he’ll make the lives of all those smart-ass liberals, unrepentant homos, scary thugs, and job-stealing illegals tangibly worse.

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Well, maybe, hard to prove, at any rate. Myself, I don’t actually think so, its just that they believe they have been screwed, and Il Douche is going to fix it. He has made big promises that he cannot possibly deliver.

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The media reported what he tweeted. Very unfair!! Sad.

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“The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.”

Nov. 6, 2012 Tweet from Il Douche

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I’ve noticed that any mention of inconsistency, contradiction, flip-floppery, etc. is readily spun as “libruls take Trump too literally”.

No, seriously. It’s one of the memes making the rounds, along with “libruls lost because they are mean” and “Trump isn’t really racist, he was just playing one on TV”. Or my personal favorite, “Trump was acting semi-sane last Weds, so we have a duty as Americans to believe this is the real him and that everything he said and did for the last year didn’t happen.”

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Shodan:

Bernie Horowitz

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Trump supporters live in a post-factual world.

Facts mean nothing. Logical thinking is “elitist”. Science is scary and hard, therefore it is bad - it reminds them of how they hated school. Feelings and opinions are the only thing that matter. All media reports are lies, except those that conform with their feelings.

They only listen to those who tell them they are right - anything else makes them feel bad, so therefore it is wrong.

Trump told them what they wanted to hear, therefore he is right. Simple, really.

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Ah, yes, that one, beloved of bifacial turds like Limbaugh. Everything they say is deadly serious until caught out on a lie or a flip-flop or for being SNL-outrageous… and then it’s “…well, wink-wink, nudge-nudge you pathetic losers!”

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There are plenty of people who are deluded enough to think that Trump will make their lives better.

What they believe is that the government is full of corrupt politicians who cater to the wealthy, minority welfare cases, lobbyists, special interests,
Hollywood elites, Wall Street, the media (liberal and regular), whiny college crybabies with their “safe spaces”, Black Lives Matter, OWS and various foreign interests.

NAFTA, Obamacare, outsourcing, our lax immigration policy, our involvement in the Middle East are examples of policies or actions they benefit these groups at the expense of hard working American.

So I think it’s not so much that Trump will “make things better”. He will be a bull in a China shop that will disrupt the system which is holding Americans back.

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I voted for Hillary, but gagged to my back teeth while doing it. I am very familiar with Hillary’s short-comings, many of which I learned about from lurking here on this very board. I am centrist, but I enjoy a variety of opinions, and I appreciate the links I find here, it sends me off on my own fact-finding missions.

I live in Georgia, born & bred, and I have plenty of friends and family and colleagues who voted for Trump. Most of the aforementioned people are educated, many holding advanced degrees. And I can tell you not ONE of these people has any problem expressing Trump’s faults. They don’t think he is “great” or “amazing” at all. They just feel, that he was a better choice for their personal beliefs, and voting is a very personal thing, after all. We had 2 choices, and it had to be done. My people are not the type to NOT vote. I come from long lines of civic-minded people.

All I can offer is anecdotal evidence, I have no sites to link to for ya…but I can tell you I have sat and listened to the people I know agonize over Trump, be outraged over comments he made, his lack of eloquence, his saying or doing one thing or another. There’s alot of discussion about, “Why did he have to say that, lke THAT?”. They mostly feel, yes, he says some crazy shit, but that the media makes it sound worse than it already is, with all their pearl-clutching and gasping. Plain-spoken people don’t mind someone being forthright, but they do mind him being all ham-fisted about it.

Most of the men, especially, in my family/friends group feel that when the media takes one little sound byte that was said and takes it out of the whole context of what was being said, it makes it sound way worse than it really is…hey, don’t come for my jugular, here…you asked for an explanation and I am just trying to give you some inside info from someone who actually lives in a rural area surrounded by Trump voters. I can only report what I hear. It’s like they don;t disagree with the over all point he was trying to make, he just made it poorly…but they DID agree with what he was trying to say.

Myself and a handful of others voted for Hillary, and I didn’t have to hide that. There are some of us educated hick-ass rednecks who respect each others opinions and can agree to disagree. The only exception is my mother who has truly gone rogue right-wing, but that’s another story (I’ll tell you if you want to know). Everyone else is pretty reasonable and hold no illusions about Mr. Trump.

The point is, not everybody who voted for Trump is some white wack-a-doo who sits in their house thinking every minute of every day how much they hate black and brown people. For them, the choice to vote for Trump was not because they hate anybody else. It was a vote for their own self-interest, what they felt would be the best direction for them and their families. And isn’t everyone, at the very least, entitled to that?

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In fairness he was right.

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So, like most people, they vote along partisan lines. Republicans will overlook Trumps faults so long as Hillary doesn’t get elected and Democrats will overlook Hillary’s faults so long as Trump doesn’t get elected. No one sits down and says “here’s my twelve point comparison of the candidates based on the issues”.

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Well, the argument is usually

  1. his statements were taken out of context.
  2. the media jumps on every little mistake he makes. (and mistakes prove that he’s not a professional politician, which is supposedly a good thing!)

To maintain the view that media is biased, it is presumed that Hillary’s statements are not taken out of context and that when she makes a mistake, the media buries it under negative coverage of Trump. They’ll also use non-factual conspiracy theories as proof of bias. For example, they’ll say that the biased mainstream media ignored claims that Hillary was hiding a terminal illness. And the biased mainstream media didn’t cover the supposed conspiracy to commit murder evidenced only by the coincidental deaths of four people who largely had nothing to do with Hillary.

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To your question in bold. The answer obviously is yes. But being entitled to vote as you see fit doesn’t make you immune from critique. Voting for someone because you think they will serve your best interest doesn’t somehow make that belief logical and objectively sound.

I believe you when you say your friends and family looked at Trump and HC with critical eyes. But I also believe there is no way they could’ve compiled in good faith a list of pros and cons for each candidate and honestly come to the decision that Trump was the best and most qualified person among the two to become President. So even if they thought Trump might be more likely than Clinton to improve their lives in some way, they were willing to put into our highest elected office someone who had them wincing and cringing and slapping their foreheads with frustration for more than a year. Shouldn’t that have been a MAJOR clue this guy is too big of a risk to gamble on? I mean, we’re not talking a gaffe here or a gaffe there. There was a lot coming out about Trump that should’ve given them serious pause.

Like, how did they rationalize away all of the accounts from the contractors and laborers saying he stiffed them?

How did your civic-dutiful peers reconcile his tax evasivess with their own values? That should’ve raised some kind of flags, right?

I could go on and on.