If that’s not clear enough, feel free to read the cite.
See my earlier post regarding the common, pro-life belief that life begins at conception, not implantation.
Regards,
Shodan
Oh, good. Then you’ll be able to show us some proof, or even a widely accepted hypothesis, by which Plan B prevents implantation, right?
I see others have jumped in and covered the comments directed to me. Thanks, LFF and JayRx. It’s nice to have a real pharmacist in the thread. What type of pharm work do you do?
Conception, meaning when the egg is fertilized, can’t even be detected. There’s no pregnancy at that point, and it’s estimated that 50 to 80% of all zygotes never implant. There’s no way to know whether each period a sexually active woman has is a normal period, or a zygote that didn’t implant. They don’t even make it past blastocyst stage.
Implantation doesn’t happen until 6-12 days after fertilization, and what gets expelled if implantation doesn’t happen looks like this:
Six days post fertilization blastocyst
It’s so small it can’t be seen without a microscope, and it has at best 50-50 odds of ever reaching birth even in ideal conditions. Millions of these blastocysts die every year - and nobody even notices them at all. Even in nature they are highly expendable.
Awww… he looks just like his daddy!
If a pharmacy refuses to dispense birth control or the day after pill ,they should have to put a sign in the window. That way those who agree could deliberately go there . Others could go elsewhere.
You don’t think I read the cite? I actually read the cite years ago which is why I felt confident that you were not correct when you said that RvW established the belied that personal morals override ethics. What it said was that societal morals didn’t overcome an individual’s right to privacy and that a woman choosing an abortion feel within that right of privacy. Now, you can argue that it was a poor decision procedurally (as Bricker does) or you can argue that it was a poor decision based on the merits. What you can’t do is make a bunch of stuff up, the decision is a little too well known. You might as well say “Well, according to Roe v. Wade, a dropped pitch on a third strike does NOT allow the batter to attempt to take first.”
The professionals are dealing with this better than I can. If Plan B causes an abortion, so does regular birth control. Why aren’t the pharmacists screaming about that?
I’m actually still an intern (I thought I mentioned that earlier–my apologies if I did not). I’m about to start (tomorrow to be exact) my last year, which is my clinical rotation year.
Right now though, I intern in a grocery store pharmacy (and have experience in other retail settings).
Too damn much.
ETA: Jay, if you haven’t realized it yet, be sure that you’re about to. If you’re going into retail rx, go in and make your money and get the fuck out to a hospital or somewhere that actually respects your medical training.
Actually, my plan is to work a couple of years at retail to pay down my student loans, then enter med school (preferably an allopathic school since I have one of those local to me). I’m crazy, I know. 
But thanks for the advice. 
I can see the ire over pharmacists not dispensing it, but do pharmacies have to stock Plan B? If they don’t have to, but they do, do they then retain the right to not dispense it?
Thank you for your concession, sir. While you’re at it, would you mind withdrawing the insinuations you made against a certain gentleman which were as insulting as they were unfounded?
Shodan, you’ve repeatedly claimed Plan B is an abortifacient. Do you have anything to say about the information from Princeton I linked to? Should these pharmacists who refuse to dispense Plan B also refuse to dispense birth control pills? If so, why don’t we hear about that? If you’ve already answered these questions, please accept my apologies.
Your own cite says it best -
I think we have reached the point where people are posting without having read the thread, and repeating myself would just make it longer.
Regards,
Shodan
What does that have to do with aborting a pregnancy? Preventing =! aborting
I know you’re not a doctor, but come on man, it’s been repeated and repeated in the simplest of lay terms hundreds of times in these threads, which you always participate in.
Prior to implantation, there is no pregnancy. Abortion is the termination, either spontaneously or deliberately, of a pregnancy. Since pregnancy does not exist prior to implantation, neither can abortion.
The failure to implant of a zygote is not an abortion. It’s not a miscarriage. It’s not the end of a pregnancy because pregnancy doesn’t start until implantation occurs, and there is only a 50-50 shot even under ideal conditions that implantation of a zygote will happen and a pregnancy will result.
No implantation, no pregnancy. Do you understand it yet?
We are indeed talking in circles since that same website says “no matter when you take emergency contraception, it will not cause an abortion.” If you follow the link on that site labelled “Emergency Contraceptive Pills (“morning after pills”)” you come to this web page which makes it clear that emergency contraception is made up of the same hormone used in conventional birth control pills.
Is using progestin, the hormone used in both Plan B and in conventional birth control pills less moral when used in Plan B than in conventional birth control pills? Should pharmacists object to dispensing one, but not the other? Is using Plan B more immoral than using conventional birth control pills? If so, why?
catsix, I absolutely, 100% agree with you, don’t get me wrong. But Shodan’s response to that once already in the thread was that some people consider fertilization the “beginning of life” if not pregnancy, and that was the point at which they would consider it immoral to interfere.
To which my reply remains: prove it. Prove that Plan B makes it “impossible for the fertilized egg to implant in your uterus.” In fact, you don’t even have to prove it, just come up with a logical, plausible hypothesis by which the same hormone which *allows *for implantation and maintains the uterine lining during a pregnancy somehow magically makes the uterine lining impregnable when taken in a pill. This is what “they” can’t do, and what makes the rest of us who understand female fertility want to stick a fork in their eyes.
“It’s also possible” is not proof. It’s not widely accepted in medical circles. It’s one of those weaselly statements which means nothing.
It’s also possible that global warming is caused entirely by badgers. But I don’t think it’s bloody likely, given what I know of science and the habits of badgerdom.
And that means we should Shodan get away with posting factually inaccurate information as if it is correct?
Bullshit. He doesn’t get a pass because of his wacko fundy religious belief that every zygote is sacred.
It is an absolute medical fact that there is no pregnancy prior to implantation.
It is also an absolute medical fact that the Plan B pill cannot cause the termination of a pregnancy.
I don’t see any reason why what ‘some people consider’ should be given any kind of weight when it flies in the face of actual fact. He’s been saying Plan B ends a pregnancy all through this thread, and he’s full of shit.
Nope. It means we should continue to correct his errors and supply more accurate information for the benefit of other readers. Just like I’ve been doing, and you’ve been doing, and lots of posters have been doing.
Disengage the claws, please. We’re on the same side this time.
But. But. But. But, you don’t understand. The God of Gods, the Almighty Creator of the Universe took time out from demanding that the Hebrews sacrifice animals (and the occasional first born son) to tell him that. How can science compete?