Wow. Just wow. And are we supposed to be okay living in a police state where comparing an encounter with the police is seriously compared to an encounter with a wild predator?
Our gun culture is out of control, and the militarization of our police is out of control. I don’t know what the fix to either one is, but…seriously, holy fuck.
Regardless of what we should have, we have to live in the world that is.
Fair enough, but I, a middle aged white professional male, am not encountering the same dangerous bear that the victim in this case encountered. And that is a problem.
Make it safer for police by getting guns off the street. Of course that would require serious gun control, which is not going to happen any time soon.
I’m a middle aged white professional male who ran into and bounced off of a bear, only it wasn’t one of those dangerous ones that carry a badge and a gun, so all was well.
Shhh. In other, similar circumstances Smapti has advocated that your treatment be shifted to achieve more equal treatment.
OK, we get it.
But it doesn’t really apply in this case. The victim was unarmed.
The killer was armed, though.
He’ll be in jail within the week. And will languish there for a very very very very very long time. The charge? Oh…gosh…anything they can make up. Since the D.A. will be mighty happy to prosecute this poor fellow and make sure he never speaks freely again.
Bullshit. No matter how many times you repeat it, that is absolute bullshit.
Thank you.
No, this prediction won’t come to pass. You’re wrong.
Orta was first arrested on an unrelated gun charge the day after the Staten Island coroner declared Garner’s death to be a homicide. He was later arrested and jailed on a drug charge. His mother, brother and wife have all been arrested too.
Do you have any evidence that Orta’s arrest was NOT based on actual evidence that Orta violated some gun law, or that Orta was NOT involved with drugs, when he was arrested?
Something other than a suggestion made by Amy Goodman and Juan González of Democracy Now! ?
Listen to what the aunt has to say about the nighttime harassment by the police and the family having to move out of the area.
Your advice on how to act around cops seems remarkably similar to advice on how to act around enraged bears. :dubious:
This. Rick Kitchen, I live no more than 2 miles from Riker’s Island as the crow flies. I’ve followed THIS case very closely. Yes, he shot the video. Yes, it sure as shit put him in the NYPD’s crosshairs. But yanno, I’m about as anti-gun a Doper as you will find around here. He was arrested on a legitimate, not planted, illegal gun charge. There is also the drug charge, where there is zero insinuation that the drugs were planted by the cops.
Ya fuck around with a gun in NYC? Ya go to jail. Tough titty on him. He’s a felon. The fact that he rolled video on his cell phone that showed the NYPD committing murder doesn’t mean he’s The Archangel Gabriel. It means he rolled video on his cell phone that showed the NYPD committing murder. And nothing more.
I always find brother Bricker’s absolute declarations of fact - in the absence of evidence, since his Time Machine is out at the repair shop- to be amusing. My statement was a personal opinion, a fearful one I pray does not come to pass. Not a declaration of fact.
Time will tell, Ricky, time will tell.
I understand your position, but with thieves with guns around, I want a gun, too.
I admit that it is a vicious circle, but I weigh 110 lbs. Even with a baseball bat, I could not fend offDarryl Dennis.
You guys really do live in a fucked up country.
Wouldn’t be in keeping with his demeanor at the beginning of the encounter.
The guy gave the cop a story about the car not being his but he was in the process of buying it, often a giveaway that the car is stolen. Then he ran. The cop chased him, yelled at him to get on the ground, and a struggle ensued. The guy was tased, and despite the tasing the guy ran again. Then the cop fired.
Now there’s no question Slager shot a fleeing man and was in no apparent danger, although he may well have felt the suspect was armed or might have been armed, and there is no question that he tried to make it look like the taser fell near the fallen suspect.
Like most everyone else I originally thought the Slager just flat out executed the guy for no good reason, but upon seeing this video and hearing what transpired off camera, I can see how the Slager may well have felt that the guy was driving a stolen vehicle, was impervious to tasing and desperate to get away, and if armed might well shoot someone in a carjacking attempt or attempt to break into a home and take hostages.
Obviously I don’t know this to be the case, but given Slager’s pleasant demeanor at the beginning of the traffic stop and his obvious attempt to subdue and arrest Scott prior to Scott’s trying to get the taser away from him and then fleeing, I have to confess that I’m far less inclined to look at the incident as being the cold-blooded murder it appeared to be at first and to at least entertain the possibility Slager in his own mind was acting more or less in the manner of the officer in this shooting, which was in the news a few months ago.
On the other hand, Slager lied to his superiors and his attorney about the nature of the encounter and he planted the taser near the body to make it look like the confrontation took place there. So he either realized shortly after the shooting that Scott was unarmed and he was likely in a world of shit for shooting an unarmed man and therefore set about to fabricate a more acceptable reason for the shooting, or he really did just callously kill the guy for what looks like nothing more than the hell of it after a five year career that had previously generated only one complaint against him.
In any event, I don’t view Slager or the shooting in quite the same way (i.e., unquestionably cold-blooded murder) as I did prior to seeing and hearing the dash cam video.