In case anyone besides get lives cares, I started a GQ thread on the MLK assassination matter here so no further discussion need take place here.
I was anxiously awaiting this thread to get my weekly dose of aceplaceism’s.
I think rsa was correcting Morgenstern’s statement that the officer fired 8 and hit with 3, rather than the other way around. I think we all understand that cops are supposed to keep firing until the target goes down. Or, maybe, stops.
Oh, I was embarassed FOR you alright - not by any of the facts I posted. Also, never believe that just because someone tires of fighting the delusions of another that those delusions somehow become true, no matter how often it happens.
Well, he has certainly over delivered.
A few years ago, I got pulled over for speeding in Concord NC. It was a rather amazing traffic stop in that I was technically speeding, in that I was about 10 mph over the speed limit, but so were the dozens of motorists around me. In addition, a young guy in a flashy car had just blown past me doing at least 10mph faster than I was going , literally at the very moment I went by the cop on the shoulder.
So imagine my surprise when it was me he pulled in behind. My wife (now ex-wife) could not believe it, and really mouthed off to the cop. IIRC, an actual quote was “Are you fucking shitting me?” 45 year old white woman, so she got a stern look. Eventually I was let go with NO TICKET.
At no time in that traffic stop did I consider fleeing. But you know what? At no time in that stop did I even think for a moment that my wife and I were going to be arrested, cuffed, or shot. My wife calmed down, the officer backed down, and we all went on our way.
Now, aceplace57, take my wife and I out of that story and insert a young African American couple. In the south. Do you honestly think that they would have been as assured of their safety? Do you think they would have been let off with no ticket? Especially after a little mouthing off?
If you can’t see why there is a culture of fear amongst minorities in their dealings with police, then you just are either (a) not paying attention, (b) just don’t get it.
IOW, yes, you got embarrassed. You didn’t (and still don’t, apparently) understand the difference between interpreting facial expressions and making them. For the most common emotional states, culture has no influence on how expressions are MADE. It has some small influence on how they are INTERPRETED.
Please don’t respond to this, or to me, ever. I don’t find talking with you interesting, and I don’t come here to be bored.
You are forgetting that it could be BOTH. He could be both ignorant AND largely unable to use the available evidence to make a hypothesis.
Habeeb, you need to read up on what defines murder. What constitutes intent and murder does not revolve around someone planning to do it well ahead of time. Intent can be formed in an instant (and one can hardly argue the intent was not to kill when you shoot at someone that many times).
Calmly following instructions and offering no resistance != immediately reaching into your car where the cop can’t see your hands and without saying anything.
Regardless of whatever issues the two of you have with one another, that discussion doesn’t belong in this thread. Knock it off.
It will take that, plus serious gun control.
Did you ever find out WTF that was about?
He was calmly following instructions – he did what the cop told him to do, calmly, upon being asked.
And doing so in a way that looked exactly like he was reaching for his gun so he could shoot the cop dead. It’s common sense that whenever you need to reach for something when talking to a cop, you say out loud what you’re doing and keep your hands where he can see them.
Most people don’t have the amount of training for dealing with cops, as cops have for dealing with non-cops. For most people, their reaction will be ‘Obey the cop.’ They’re not going to think about how it looks to the cop.
No, except in the sense that reaching for any object in any location looks “exactly like he was reaching for his gun so he could shoot the cop dead”.
Further, the cop continued shooting after it was extremely clear that there was no gun. That’s a pretty good indication that it was the cop’s judgment that was flawed here.
It’s far more “common” sense not to shoot someone for obeying instructions, and not to continue firing at an unarmed man who is falling backwards away from you.
Feidin Santana: "I felt that my life, with this information, might be in danger. I thought about erasing the video and just getting out of the community, you know Charleston, and living some place else.”
Kudos to the fellow who videoed the murder and gave the vid to the victim’s family. I hope the local police do not seek retribution.
The interview at the bottom of the link includes Santana’s description of what he saw before he started videoing.
Non-cops are expected to be rational and intelligent at all times. If they misunderstand instructions, panic, or fail to think about what their compliance looks like to a cop, they deserve to be shot and killed. Dumb-asses.
Cops are allowed to have flawed judgement because they have a dangerous job.
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‘Don’t move! Get on the ground! I said “Get on the ground!” Don’t move!’