South Carolina priest: No communion for Obama supporters

Wouldn’t this have an effect on the church’s tax exempt status?

At the very least, it should count as vote bribery (or non-vote bribery). Like the opposite of getting a free Starbucks.

Mmm, Mocha Late with Jesus Flakes. Scrumptious.

I don’t think so, because the election’s over.

And this is why I love the Dope.

Truefax- I made a fake cereal for a class once called “Pope-ys”. They were made by the makers of Christ Crackers. They included marshmallow pope hats, crosses, and Bible fish. Guilt came in every box, but if you collected enough proof-of-purchases you would be absolved. That was the best religion class project, ever. I just wish I could find the pictures I drew.

What is proper penance for voting Democratic, I wonder? There’s no way to atone and I doubt canon speaks to the issue.

Say 10 Hail Bushies?

Maybe ten Heil Cheneys.

Heh. “Jesus Flakes.” I am so going to hell for laughing about that.

You can almost hear the big power chords starting up when you read that post.

…oh, that Rush.

What’s this “The Rev.” stuff? I was raised Catholic, and as far as I understood, Catholic priests are never referred to as reverends.

Reverend is used as an identifier for various Catholic offices, but not as a form of address. Transitional deacons, monastic priests and abbots are all referred to as “The Reverend…” or “The Very Reverend…”. I think bishops are also “The Most Reverend…”.

Priests are “Reverend”, priests with important positions are “The Very Reverend”, Bishops are “Most Reverend”. They’re addressed that way in letters, course catalogs, etc.

Nope.

I wonder why you never hear these guys complaining about politicians who are pro-capital punishment. The Catholic Church is just as opposed to the death penalty as it is to abortion, but you never hear about them trying to refuse communion to those who support it.

Well, never is an awfully long time. A Catholic priest will not invite you to address him as “Reverend,” but some people have a principled difficulty with addressing one as “Father.”

I recall that as a music student at Loyola Marymount in the late '70s, the secretary of the department was a lovely lady who addressed all the Jesuit priests as “Reverend __________.” It had to do with some Bible verse or another that admonished Christians “Do not call any man ‘Father’.”

I’ve heard plenty of priests and nuns complain about politicians who are pro-capital punishment.

That said, the Church teaches that abortion is intrinsically evil, whereas the death penalty is not.

This has been going on for a while. From May 2008: The Archbishop of Kansas Joseph Naumann said that Governor of Kansas Kathleen Sebelius should not receive communion because of her support for abortion rights. The article gives the sense that many high-profile Catholics in government (John Kerry, Rudy Giuliani, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy) have been threatened/admonished not to take communion but all of them did anyway. Most notably, Joe Biden has been singled out as someone who shouldn’t receive communion by the Archbishop of Scranton, his hometown, should he visit there. Way to hold the Eucharist hostage to politics.

His voting record technically makes him the Senate’s most liberal member, but it’s not like the U.S. Senate is composed of large numbers of radical progressives, so he may well be.

Valete,
Vox Imperatoris

This is not true. The Church teaches that the death penalty is only morally justified if there is no other way to prevent a person from harming other people. Otherwise, it’s murder.

Even considering the lack of radicals in the Senate, it’s still bullshit. He was rated most liberal in 2007, when he missed a lot of votes because he was campaigning. The rating comes from the National Journal, which picks and chooses which votes count in its liberal-conservative rankings (the publication doesn’t use ALL Senate votes, just the ones it deems important). Unsurprisingly the Journal gave the same ranking to John Kerry in 2004.

So it is not accurate to say Obama is the Senate’s most liberal member. It is accurate to say the National Journal said he was the most liberal Senator in 2007, but that doesn’t mean it’s actually true. According to Media Matters, a separate study that included all his votes in 2007, not "the 99 most important, found he was tied for tenth most liberal for that year.

If a situation can exist in which it’s morally justified, then it’s not intrinsically evil.

By contrast, deliberately taking an innocent life is always evil.

(For the record, I completely oppose the death penalty.)

FYI- this guy has a blog with an email link. Shouldn’t be too hard to find.