Yes, he “grew up around Mormons.” Damn the cunning simplicity of it all.
I know some fundamentalist Christians who would argue with you. I think that makes it debatable. 
You might (or might not be) surprised at the amount of anti-Mormon paranoia held by some fundies. I’ve listened to relatives rant about how they’re a cult, are trying to take over the world, have pentagrams all over their temples, etc.
I, personally, wouldn’t argue with you though.
Well, we are trying to take over the world. Why do you think we have so many kids? It’s the secret breeding program to take over by sheer population growth. Of course, now that you know, we’ll have to make sure you never tell…two young men will knock on your door very soon.
Guess what posting ignorant & incorrect assertions as though they’re fact reflect on you?
WTF are you talking about?
Let’s be clear for some of those who are a little less informed.
Catholics are Christians.
Mormons are Christians.
That is all.
Jesus effing Christ, I see some of you can’t be bothered to read past the first sentence. Admittedly, I should have put considered in italics for the impaired but still. Let’s look at what I actually said:
Catholicism is the basis for Christianity as practiced in America and Western Europe. As such, they aren’t considered christians, they are. It’s the Protestants who would be a subject for debate.
THAT is all.
Here’s a concept, laigle. When using English, use English and not some bizarre, known only to use grammar & syntax.
& you’re still digging yourself a hole with your last posting above.
Edit my above comment in your mind to change the second instance of the word use to you.
You still haven’t read the post for which you flamed me. But I highly doubt you ever will. You’ll just keep flaming me without reading what I post. So I’ll just bow out of the thread.
I read it. I am also competent in the English language and I thus read it the way someone competent in the English language reads such things.
Monty, I read laigle and understood him just fine the first time. And English is my first language, and I am considered quite competent in the comprehension department.
Disinformation!
You know thats not so; you are to have as many children as you want/can afford.
The program was dropped, too obvious, you didn’t get the memo?
The difference between Mormons and Catholics is that Catholics agree with Protestants on the nature of God, the relationship of the Father to the Son, and the necessity of the Crucifixion and the Resurrection. Catholics and Protestants disagree on the number of the sacraments, the authority of the Pope and the church hierarchy, prayers to saints, and the nature of the Eucharist, including the purpose of the Mass, but none of these are major.
The LDS believe in Jesus, but the areas where you depart from Christian orthodoxy are substantial.
That God was once a man
That marriages can be sealed in Temples
That one must perform ordinances to earn grace
That Jesus was conceived by a physical act
That souls pre-exist physical incarnation
That the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, and D&C are equal to the Bible
That faithful Mormons can become Gods themselves
That women can only attain the highest level of salvation through their husbands
and so on. Now I don’t care to argue which is right, because it’s all mythology to me, but you must agree that the LDS and the other Christian sects have serious, mutually incompatible beliefs.
And just from a purely secular view, the BoM is unadulterated eyewash–there were no Nephites, no Lamanites. no Alma, no Zeezrom, no Coriantumr, no Abinadi, no Jewish empires in the New World. Joseph Smith devised a clever work of fiction, but that’s all it is.
And it’s very hard for me not to write, “Dum, Dum, Dum, Dum, Dum.”
Heh. I have a Mormon friend who’s currently on a mission in South America, and he’s smoked a lot of pot, gotten drunk, and had sex outside of marriage. The Mormon in Orgazmo–who is very reluctant to get into “the business”, and never actually has sex on film–is a saint in comparison.
emarkp said, regarding missionaries,
Wow. I’m being earnest here, how do you do that? How is it possible to be human and not have ‘moral problems’? Saints have had crises of faith, popes have contradicted, even fought each other…
a bit of a hijack, but sheesh…
Some people don’t think so. In fact, some people believe that no other sect of Christianity other than their own can lay claim to the title.
In my youth, I attended (well, visited, anyway) one Pentecostal church, and one Baptist church which bluntly said that while Catholics may think that they’re Christians, they’re most certainly not. One pastor informed the congregation that Catholics worshipped the Whore of Babylon, as evinced by Revelation. (I think this is the same view espoused by Jack Chick.)
Gobear, two or three of those are not accurate and have been debunked here before. Specifically, we have no doctrine on how Jesus was conceived (and I’ve never met anyone who thinks it was that way!), we do not believe that exaltation is confined only to faithful Mormons, and it is far more accurate to say that neither spouse can “attain the highest level of salvation” (that is, exaltation, which is different) without the other, since a marriage partnership is an intrinsic part of it. That’s a common twist anti-Mormons put in, in order to rile up feminist sensibilities–and as a feminist myself, I rather resent it.
I could quibble a bit about some of the others, too; for example, we are often portrayed as works-obsessed and denying of grace, which is also incorrect. But that’s a longer post than I’m going to type up right now–I just got back from a play and it’s past my bedtime.
And, I understood laigle’s meaning, and thought it was pretty humorous too.
emarkp: Actually, I think the biggest problem with the missionary’s portrayal in the film is that he showed up at the house alone.
Getting back to the South Park episode, one claim they made that I haven’t seen mentioned in this thread is that the Garden of Eden was really in Jackson County, Missouri. Is this an accurate depiction of Mormon belief?
Yes.