Sovereign Citizens-- Please tell me this is fake

The jails are full enough with actually dangerous people. Unless there’s a showing that he is, probation with strict conditions is probably an appropriate sentence for a first offense. You can always send him to jail later if he fails to comply.

The most serious charge here is driving without a license, but I don’t think that would normally result in an arrest in most jurisdictions. In fact there was another amusing incident where a sovcit was pulled over for no license or registration of any kind who was not arrested but given a bunch of citations. Which he duly accepted, and then drove off. And was promptly pulled over again. The operative question here was what, exactly, was it that he didn’t understand about the fact that he was not allowed to drive? :grin: One might almost begin to suspect that sovcits are not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer!

The fact that our aforementioned hero here was arrested, and that this story even made the news, suggests that this particular sovcit “Marshall” is building himself quite a fine record that is accessible to every police officer who pulls him over and to every judge who next rules on sentencing.

If that particular SovCit was to use his “Marshall” creds to try to impersonate a LEO interacting with a regular citizen he’d get a very different reception from the real LEOs. They really don’t like that shit, and not without good reason.

Despite some folks here’s evident delight with those vids I can’t stand more than a couple minutes of them. The shrieking irrational anger just makes me want to pull out my taser or pistol and put an end to the insanity right then and there. “They needed shootin’” seems like a perfectly reasonable exoneration to me. Instead I just switch to a different and soothing vid until my blood pressure recovers.

Maybe we should put a bounty on them. That might be a fun sport. I could totally get into that. But it needs a catchy name & I’m coming up dry right now.

And it’s not even 8:00 PM yet! :grin:

The frost is on the pumpkin and it’s time for Sovereign Huntin!

If you are hunting SC’s what call will you use. In Bloom County, when Milo and his grandfather hunted liberals in the woods they called out “No nukes!”

Rustle, rustle.

BLAM!

“Ow! Socialized medicine! Socialized medicine!”

I suspect the thought process was, that as of yet no significant harm had been done by the perp, and it is possible that this encounter with the law and the utter failure of his arguments to convince anyone might be enough for him to realize that his magic words don’t actually work. Probably a false hope, but worth giving him a chance.

More accurately, people try to hide the things they know are likely to get them in trouble, even if they think they’re in the right. For instance, most people who smoke pot and think the laws against it are BS are smart enough not to light up a joint in front of a cop.

(Need I add that I am not in any way suggesting that SovCits are not “in the right”?)

And that’s how this lives on. Contrary to the SovCit opinions, our court systems generally do give a shit about giving people a chance, even if they’re idiots. The whole system of suspended sentences/probation/parole is predicated on the idea that people can learn from their mistakes.

However, some people see this as a loophole to be exploited. “Ha! I used a fake license plate for three months, and all they did was “give me probation”! Suckers! I told you it would work!”

And the chance should be this: get a license, registration and insurance in the next 30 days and the charges are dismissed.

And then they cancel the next day.

But getting any of those things — license, registration or insurance — would establish a “Contractual Nexus” which would make them slaves to the United States Federal Corporation; and once established, the nexus cannot be removed. So the SovCit can do none of them, and no “court” or “judge” has standing to make them do so. QED.

You should take the Goon Show approach and give him change in the form of photographs of appropriate dollar notes.

I never can keep straight whether gold fringe on the flag validates a court’s authority or negates it.

This does not bother me enough to go check.

As an actual Admiralty lawyer, I’d like to clarify this issue once and for all:

Fucked if I know.

Are we clear now?

The fringe signals an Admiralty Court. Why that matters, I haven’t a clue.

Thanks. I needed a good belly laugh.

Because they only have authority over us if we inadvertently admit we’re actually “ships at sea”, and are thus subject to admiralty law. Duh!

Which almost makes a weird sort of almost-sense. A ship on the high seas is under no land-based jurisdiction. A SovCit wants to move on the land (of his home country) in the same way a ship moves upon the high seas, answering to no one about anything.

So that’s what brings the idea of admiralty courts into the SovCit lexicon. Once it gets there everything gets confused and stupid. Of course.

Your SovCit believer avoid Admiralty jurisdiction by saying “I’m not a ship”. And they can avoid non-Admiralty jurisdiction by claiming they’re “traveling” the high seas on land. Either way, they’re off free and the judge will know they’ve been outmaneuvered by the SovCit’s keen legal mind. Either that or the bailiff is about to hit them with his stick. I know which way I’d bet.

Now the truth is that ships on the high seas in 2023 answer to all sorts of governments and treaties. And their crews know it. Ship in 1723 or 1823? Not so much.

SovCittery: A bad idea getting worse for close to 150 years now.