Specifically, The Deleterious Effects of Illegal Immigrants on the US

The data wasn’t based off opinion polling and those words are never used in his paper. Who are you quoting?

As I mentioned, literally every outgroup of every sort is harmful for quality of life. It doesn’t matter if they’re undocumented future Americans or urban youth.

For millennia, mankind has seen migrations of thousands of miles across the world, from Alexander the Great to the Huns to the Goths. Modern technology makes mass migration possible, but not an inevitability. The West is facing a crisis of will, not a crisis of technology.

And as I’ve pointed out, ethnic homogeneity isn’t “an accident” but is in fact preferable to diversity on multiple different measures, such as happiness, government efficacy, and community cooperation.

Actually, it was:

The evidence comes from a large nationwide survey, the Social Capital Community Benchmark Survey, carried out in 2000, with a total sample size of roughly 30,000

It is an inevitability, as the entire history of the human race makes clear. We move around and look for something better, always.

Diversity leads to greater innovation, productivity, science, and (subjectively) art. I’ll take those over a dull, comforting sameness, even if it spells harder times for the local bowling league; but that’s me.

I think we should go back to an immigration policy that is similar to what we had prior to 1921 (except without the anti-Asian stuff). It seemed to work.

That logic only applies to people who get nervous when they see one brown-skinned guy walking down the street.

The reality is the United States is never going to become Mexico. It’s just not possible. If every single person in Mexico moved to America, they’d still be outnumbered more than two to one by us gringos. We’d assimilate them.

That’s not an opinion poll.

An inevitability? That’s hilarious. I mean, I know leftists hate white people and dream of a beautiful brown future, but usually they’re not so confident.

Cite? Because

It’s a survey, asking people their opinions. What’s the crucial difference you’re seeing?

I’m not a leftist.

The combination of the human will to move about in search of better things, plus the pragmatic need for workers and specialists, plus a general disdain for the racism you and yours peddle, makes me very confident. We can quibble over how “mass” mass migration has to be to count as “mass”, but borders won’t be slamming shut any time soon, even if it were possible - and it’s not.

How Diversity Makes Us Smarter

See also the very study you’re citing:

So move to Russia.

Why should I give my country to third worlders?

And what do I do when vibrancy comes to Russia, as it inevitably will?

Bummer, man. You are fucked. Sucks to be you, I guess. My condolences.

The rest of us are pretty happy, though, so there’s that! We’ll send you a postcard every now and then.

I should add: I live in Diversity Ground Zero, US of A, which also happens to be the most innovative and prosperous area of the country. Has been for decades. I’d invite you out here to start over, but you probably couldn’t afford to live here.

I was already in favor of ethnic diversity. But I’ll admit that finding out how much it annoys Construct is making it even better for me.

Given that my grandchildren will be at least a quarter Latino, I’m pretty sure they’ll be fine with it.

I do profess to love my husband, so I guess you are right there. I’m still not sure how having another vaccine researcher around is degrading your quality of life, but hey, maybe the world would be better off if some other country was benefitting from the research he does.

BTW Russia is already pretty damn diverse and has been for centuries.

Let this statement stand in testimony of the content of your character.

So it’s the look of non-white people that makes you feel all icky inside, is that it? Because Native Alaskans have been here longer than white people and you’d rather “exclude” them as well from your white paradise, eh?

You seem quite posessive of your country. Perhaps rightly so. Beyond being fortunate enough to have been born here, what service have you performed for your country, if I may ask? Military, reserves, civil service, disaster relief?

Language is one of the things that defines a country? Have you told the Swiss? Or the 90% of nation-states that are officially multilingual?

In other threads Construct has been quite open about his racism. It’s almost refreshing that he doesn’t hide his views behind euphemisms (though I say that as a brown immigrant who would presumably be sent back to the third world hellhole I came from* under the Construct administration).

*the UK.

It’s nice knowing that liberals care about everyone.

correlation ≠ causation

It doesn’t matter what race your children are. It matters whether you’re going to preserve America for them to enjoy or give it away to the third world so you can post snarky status updates on facebook and feel morally superior to everyone else.

Yeah, forgive me for living in the real world, backed up with research and facts, rather than the world I wish existed.

Rather, I meant that Northern regions are inhabited only by White people and Native Americans (and East Asians, I suppose). Native Americans have a right to remain in their lands, as do all people.

Too bad you don’t recognize this point in your own beliefs.

I thought you recognized that correlation did not equal causation? Apparently, that only works when you don’t like the correlation.

At any rate, even getting past the glaring errors in your interpretation of the facts in your citations that have already been pointed out, the biggest error is your failure to recognize that all the problems over which you worry are temporary. Every great trial and tribulation to which you point in regards to black, Hispanic, Asian, or Oceanic groups has already been associated with earlier immigrants. There were nasty claims of disruption aimed at German immigrants until the Know Nothing Party Decided that the Irish were a bigger threat. Then the Chinese, (imported, not by “liberals,” but by railroads), were seen as disruptive. Next, Italians took their turn at being the disruptive ones, then Japanese. In Louisiana, the Anglo Americans were the disruptive force. In every case, within a couple of generations, the “disruption” had passed and society moved forward.
If you want to pretend that there was some sacred “white” reality to be defended, first you must explain why you are not bemoaning the impure mixture of your Celtic or Danish or Saxon or Norse or Norman forebears with the Romans, (or whatever Dacian or Greek or Libyan spear carrier they brought up to intermarry) with your not so pure forebears.

You also had a hilarious attack on “liberals” for being responsible for so many on-site people in our midst. That is factually, (and hysterically), wrong. Liberals did not import Africans to be slaves or Asians to build railroads or Mexicans to harvest crops. Liberals might be responsible for a few thousand Somalians, but the rest came at the behest of good (presumably Conservative) rich
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But we are, all 200ish of us :slight_smile:

The biggest problem is the cost of education-many of these children cannot read and write in their own language, let alone English. Here in MA, local schools spend about $20,000/year per pupil. If you add in $10,000 for English immersion/special education, it adds up to a staggering burden for town and city taxpayers. In addition, many illegals send money home (while paying no health insurance or taxes). the combined effect is a huge burden on taxpayers. On the plus side, rich people get cheap maid service, nanny service, and lawn/garden service (which the rest of us pay for). According to liberals, its a great bargain.

What’s this? Children entering school without knowing how to read or write? Oh, the humanity.

Maybe we should set up some kind of public system to educate these children…