The Allies obliterated the Nazi civilization.
Pete Hegseth and Stephen Miller seem to have missed the memo on that one.
Moderating:
Giving the thread a brief pause, as we’re getting a bit bogged down what Trump said and what Trump implied. More focus please on Trump’s reasons (the topic) for continuing the conflict (or not).
Slightly more seriously, a few posts here are far to close to attacking the Poster, not the post. Thus the short time out.
There’s an existing thread about the potential consequences for the USA going Nuclear that may also be worth noting:
No warnings issued, but again, keep the focus on attacking the arguments, not any poster in P&E - you know where the Pit is. The thread will reopen shortly.
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Not even close. They destroyed the Nazi government - not “civilization” - and made a half-hearted attempt at de-Nazification, that’s all. They didn’t kill and destroy until there was no such thing as “German culture” or “Germany” anymore. Even the incredibly brutal “Morgenthau Plan” wouldn’t have done that.
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@Der_Trihs, one of the things I mentioned in the modnote was to focus back on talking about Trump’s reasons for continuing (or, recently, NOT continuing) the conflict. His “wartime” decision making specifically. I know the desire to get the last word in is endemic to the internet and the board, but do not continue off-topic discussions especially when it’s right after a mod request to be mindful. I’m refraining from issuing a Warning for failure to obey moderator instructions, since I mentioned three different issues in my note, but please make sure to follow such in the future.
Not sure if this was posted in another thread, but this NYT article gives an outstanding story account of how the decision all went down. Basically, Netanyahu and other Israelis urged Trump into it, Trump was inclined to attack, everyone else in his inner circle (such as Vance, Caine, etc.) was too timid to give an outright clear “no,” and hence Trump only heard what he wanted to hear. Surrounded by either yes-men or waffling don’t-dare-oppose-too-clearly men, Trump gave the go-ahead for the war.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-war.html
One supposed reason for Trump to continue the conflict is the supposed support from other countries for the “ceasefire”. but as wguy pointed out:
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Yes, Fox news is garbage. Lying liars who lie. And then often have to pay hundreds of millions for the lie.
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I don’t think there was a real ceasefire. There was Trump wishing for a ceasefire, followed by Iran saying “OK then, here’s a proposal, we get everything and you get nothing”, followed by Israel going “Umm, no thanks we’ll keep killing people.”
The “ceasefire” was just Trump flailing with bullshit looking for an exit that made him a winner.
Also probably Trump trying to play God-King again. I doubt he actually asked Israel if they wanted a cease fire, much less Iran.
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That might account for Trump’s reasons, but why would Netanyahu fuck himself in an election year?
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You skipped Hezbollah continuing to launch rockets at Israel. Curious how often that part is left out…
This part is true.
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Let’s face it: If someone in Lebanon throws a rock at a soldier, that gives enough reason to level a city block with missiles. There is such a thing as a disproportionate response.
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Hezbollah has been launching literally hundreds of rockets at Israel. Let’s face that reality.
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If Israel wants to defeat Hezbollah, ISTM they either have to ally with the Lebanese government and strike a deal that will make it happen, or occupy all of Lebanon themselves. Blowing up civilian infrastructure is not going to make it happen.
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The military said Thursday evening that Hezbollah had fired some 70 rockets from Lebanon at northern Israel since the morning. There were no reports of injuries or damage.
In my mind, that does not justify Wednesday’s Israeli airstrikes on Lebanon resulting in at least 254 dead and hundreds more wounded.
Obviously, our morality differs on this. End Of Hijack.
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Since the hijack was acknowledged and moved to a more appropriate thread, I’m not issuing any poster-facing moderation, but I have hidden the posts in question to prevent later readers from jumping right back into it.