Spock vs Sears (on infant rearing)

One school of thought says its okay, even good, to let your baby cry himself to sleep.

Another school of thought (I think now the majority) says this is wrong–that you should give comfort to the kid when he asks for it, and if this means sleeping with him in the bed for the first few years of his life then that’s how it’s gotta be.

I see lots of well-articulated opinions on both sides of this debate, but no hard facts tending to provide evidence for one view or the other. It all comes down to claims that one or the other way of doing things is “not healthy” (no clear explanation as to what this means) or “leads to problems later on” (again, no clear explanation as to what such problems might be, or evidence that problems are likely.)

Does anyone know of any factual basis on which to decide between the claims made by these two schools of thought?

-FrL-

Even if researchers could agree on what criteria would be used to judge one method superior to the other I think that you would have trouble getting double blind studies set up involving infants. So I think it unlikely you will find a factual answer. I have never seen one.

I am also biased as a stong proponent of co-sleeping based on positive personal anecdotal evidence.

All I can speak of is my experience, as I don’t think there are any hard facts in this debate.

We are working with attachment parenting with our daughter. The basic belief is that if she cries, it is because she needs something, not that she is trying to manipulate us. If she is crying, we are there to help her. We try to get her to investigate what is upsetting her, and encourage her to look for solutions. If she’s upset, we talk through what is upsetting her. (She’s 2 years, 2 months). We’ve been doing it this way since birth.

critics of this method say that the kid ends up too attached to the parents. In our experience, our daughter is very self-confident, curious kid. She has never had any shyness to speak of, and is happy exploring by herself, and socializing without us.

When my daughter cried, I picked her up. Made for a difficult first few months, as she slept days (while I was at work) and was awake off and on all night. It felt like the right thing to do at the time, and 14 years later today she is the best person on the planet. /anectdotal crap:D

FWIW, I don’t think labelling the two camps “Spock” vs “Sears” is really accurate.

While Sears may be a big proponent of attachment parenting, the “other” side in the debate (sometimes called “crying it out”, although that’s a bit of a simplistic description) is usually attributed to Richard Ferber.
http://www.babycenter.com/expert/baby/babysleep/8118.html

http://www.babycenter.com/general/pregnancy/toolscalcs/3581.html

Keep in mind that there are alternatives to these two methods. For instance, it is possible to give comfort to a child within their own space (i.e. their bedroom) – and then to leave the room when the child is asleep.

This actually does involve some crying out, but the idea is to promote a feeling of security by being physically present in the child’s bedroom while the child is attempting to “comfort herself” to sleep.

Father of three kids (8, 6, and 19 months) here. We took more or less an “attachment parenting” approach with ours; my wife is a proponent of extended breastfeeding, and that’s a whole lot easier to do when the kid is in the bed with you already. Our oldest, now 8, self-weaned at about eighteen months when my wife became pregnant with our second – apparently, the hormonal changes caused enough changes in the breast milk that he was put off by it. After that, he slept in his own bed; we would read to him before bed and I would often sit on his bed or even lie down with him (he was sleeping on a futon, only about 12 inches off the floor, with lots of room) until he fell asleep. Once he got to be three or four years old, we got to a point where we would do our bedtime ritual, and I would usually stay in his room for a few minutes after lights out, but not necessarily until he went to sleep; about half the time he would still be awake when I left. By the time he was five, it was down to saying goodnight and leaving him to go to sleep on his own. Ever since he moved to his own bed, he’s pretty much stayed there – I can easily count the times he’s climbed into bed with us since then.

My first daughter, now six, also self-weaned at about eighteen months – in her case, she just seemed to lose interest. Again, once she stopped breastfeeding, we moved her into her own bed, and through the same sort of process as with my son, she’s now at the point where she can easily get to sleep on her own, though she still prefers for my wife to sing her a goodnight song that they’ve come up with first. She’s much more likely than my son to climb into bed with us, but that seems to be largely because she’s such a light sleeper – once my son’s asleep, nothing wakes him up, while she wakes at the slightest disturbance. She’ll usually go back to her own room, however, if you ask her to.

My younger daughter is still breastfeeding at 19 months, and is still co-sleeping. I expect that once she stops nursing, we’ll move her to a bed of her own in the same room with my other daughter.

Overall, my impression from conversations with other parents is that ours seem to have fewer problems going to sleep and staying asleep on their own than the average, but that’s an impression, not a scientific conclusion.

Most of the arguments against co-sleeping and other attachment parenting tactics are either patently absurd (kids being injured by a parent rolling over on them? please – how many times have you accidentally rolled out of your bed in your adult life?) or boil down to a contention that because some parents aren’t able to deal with it, it’s inherently wrong for everyone. Every kid is different, and every pair of parents is different, and what’s right for each set is likely to be different as well. I wouldn’t tell another parent that putting their kid to bed and letting them cry it out is necessarily wrong, or that they should do things the way we did – it worked for us, but wouldn’t work for everyone.

Short of doing video-based sleep studies of children and correlating those results with the parenting style of their parents, I don’t know that you’d ever get an “factual” data on this, and even that would only deal with sleep-related issues, not other behavioral information. Other behavioral stuff would be so subjective that it’d be very tough to come up with definitive measures.

Well, I guess this thread isn’t about Vulcans in Department Stores.

Carry on.

I know – the plural of “anecdote” is not data, but here is my experience with a sample size of two.

First daughter – We picked her up when she cried, looked for obvious causes. If there were none, we figured she was just lonesome, so I’d sit and rock her, or sing, or just cuddle. In about 15 minutes or so she would fall asleep on my shoulder and I’d gently lay her down and she’d sleep for hours and hours. She has grown up to be a wonderful person.

Second daughter – same treatment. The only problem was that whatever I did, she kept crying, seemingly without end. After what seemed like an eternity of having little or no sleep, I found that if I saw to feeding, diaper and any other obvious needs, and then laid her down, she would yell for no more than 10 minutes and then fall asleep. She wanted, apparently, to be left the hell alone. The only problem was that after 2 years she was still waking up and crying in the middle of the night; of course I’d go and feed her, etc., etc. My doctor pointed out that a two-year-old does not really need to be fed in the middle of the night, and that she had simply developed an unfortunate habit. For two nights we left her alone when she woke up at 2 a.m. We felt like monsters. After that she slept peacefull all night long or, if she did wake, she didn’t cry. She has also grown up to be a wonderful person. Very different from daughter #1, but wonderful all the same.

Bottom line: There is no bottom line. There is no one-size-fits-all. You have to try out what works for you and your kid.

In order to do a valid study, you would have to be intentionally treating a certain number of babies in a manner inconsistent with their needs, and no sane parent would permit it. Besides, if it were found that method A works in 65% of cases, you’d still need to try out not only method A, but method B, C, and D to find out the optimal strategry for each particular child. Which is basically what we do anyway.

Hmmm…All of the data so far relates to children who are reported to have gone on to become wonderful people of various ages who have no issues. I’m totally screwed up as an adult. Want me to find out what my parents did? :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

Another group thinks that it doesn’t matter what the hell you do with your child as long as it’s not abusive as parenting style has little correlation with how kids turn out later in life. Naturally, this view is controversial but theres been some tantilizing statistical evidence for it of late. I’ll try and find some cites.

This is essentially the thesis of Judith Rich Harris’ The NURTURE ASSUMPTION: Why Children Turn Out the Way They Do. Harris makes a solid case for many of her assertions; the evidence is pretty compelling that :
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[li]genetics plays a more important role in individual behavior and personality than most of us think, [/li][li]much of human behavior is situational; we behave in entirely different ways around different groups of people and in different environments, and[/li][li]behavior in most everyday settings (school, work, etc.) is more strongly influenced by the norms and expectations of peer groups, while family (including parental) influence is relatively weak except in the area of behavior in family settings.[/li] [/list]

My beef with Harris is that she extrapolates from that to contend that it almost doesn’t matter at all how parents interact with their kids. I’d argue that I at least want to make my kids’ interactions with me, my wife, and their siblings as positive as possible.

I’d also argue that this doesn’t have much to do with what sort of approach you take to dealing with sleep issues with infants and toddlers. It makes perfect sense that evolution would have favored babies and toddlers with a strong innate urge to be in close proximity to their parents; children without such an instinct would have been much more susceptible to accidents and predators in the natural environments in which humans developed. Recognizing that this urge is natural, and that it tends to diminish as the child gets older, there seems to be little downside in most situations to making accommodations for it by allowing the kids to sleep with or near the parents while still nursing and by being near them at bedtime for a few years afterward. Humans are wonderfully adaptable creatures, however, and even babies who are “Ferberized” from a very early age probably don’t suffer any ill effects, as the risks of falling off a ledge or being eaten by hyenas are pretty small in the typical modern home. So, as MLS says, it all comes down to what works for you and your kid(s).