Squatting in the UK

I confess to being a regular reader of the UK news service called the Daily Mail. Its basically of a gossip paper but often discusses local issues such as the squatting problem which exists in the UK. I’m really perplexed by why the issue exists there. Check this article and read about how squatters have created a really messy situation for this person trying to sell her house:

I would really like to try and understand the problem…it is illegal to break into and enter a private property in the UK, right? If so why were the squatters not arrested for that? That is a criminal offence just about anywhere. And what exactly is stopping the rightful owners from breaking right back into their own house and removing the trespassers or making it so difficult to live there that they leave on their own? I’m not trying to be provocative, I really want to understand why this situation exists. If someone were to break into my home (I live in the US) the police would show up in about 5-10 minutes and arrest every one of them. Failing that I’d do it myself, by force if necessary, and would probably not face any legal trouble unless I went too far. Its seems very strange that in a modern first world country like the UK that there would be no laws preventing vagrants from breaking into homes and occupying them.

First of all, squatting should be cut-and-dried. You squat, you get caught, you either leave peaceably or go to jail. Period.

But this statement in the article had me wondering what the first two have to do with the third?

“Whenever a householder is arrested by police for rough handling of a burglar, gypsy encampments defy eviction orders or an illegal immigrant is granted asylum;”

Bums and junkies squat. Victims leave countries and seek safe haven in other countries. If I’m wrong, please point it out.

It’s a combination of tabloid scaremongering (many of these stories involve eastern-europeans) and the police misunderstanding their powers under the law.

Squatting often gets conflated with trespass which (unless it’s “aggravated” and/or involves damage or violence) does remain a civil matter.

There is also a difference between squatting in a residential property (even unoccupied) and a commercial building.

This letter was published in the Guardian after the last tranche of similar stories (bolding mine):

First of all, it’s off-topic but you should be aware that the Daily Mail is the Fox News of newspapers. The stories are often skewed towards the belief that middle-class families are under threat from commies, political correctness etc trying to take what theirs and give it to asylum seekers etc.

Secondly squatting is far from a uniquely british thing. Squatting as you’re describing it here is common throughout europe, and about a billion people are squatting under typical (broad) definitions.

WRT the british situation specifically it’s basically that the law is very reluctant to make someone homeless. If you break in somewhere and are caught immediately, you’re obviously arrested, end of.
But if you’ve set up home somewhere, and have belongings there, throwing you out would make you homeless; which is taken into account even though you have no right to be there. Basically protracted legal proceedings ensue, but usually the squatters are evicted eventually.
What really doesn’t make sense to me is that if you squat for long enough, you can legally claim ownership… I think the required period is 12 years, and it doesn’t happen often as you need to prove continual occupation. But still, wtf?

Amusingly to a juvenile American, the UK’s “Advisory Service for Squatters” refers to itself as “ASS” and apparently puts out a newsletter called “ASS Of The World.”

Yet the author of the linked article, Max Hastings, is an established author with what is generally considered a sound reputation:

Well, if you can prove that for twelve continuous years you lived in a place, and in all that time the owner did absolutely nothing to get you out or try to repossess it themselves, why shouldn’t you have it? You obviously need it more than they do!

Adverse Possession. Makes sense to me. If someone has abandoned a house for over a decade and made no effort to get it back then why should they retain legal title? If you owe someone a debt and they make no effort to obtain repayment it’s only six years until it becomes null and void.

Anyway, adverse possession is extremely rare and restricted.

Because it belongs to them.
If we go down the road of “someone needs that more than you” prepare to give up all your possessions now.

Well, debts might be considered a kind of possession, they’re certainly assets. But there’s good reason to treat debts differently to other forms of wealth.
If debts continued into perpetuity you may be inclined to deliberately keep quiet to your debtors, or sow confusion. The plan being to accrue huge interest or wait until the debtor has no money and you can repossess assets, or whatever. That’s why debts are a special case.

The reason for adverse possession is that in many cases, it is due to misunderstandings - someone thinks they have a right there when they do not. (I.e., some neghbours thought for 50 years the property line was over there; the wrong people have gone and built a pool half over the line into the other person’s property. If the real owner does not assert their rights in time, they lose that property.

Because someone under the impression they own something, may make irreversible decisions. I thought these were my fields, I farmed them for 20 years, nobody told me to stop. So I sold half of my other fields, because I didn’t need so big a farm…

The law does not worry about whether the person was misled or tried to be sneaky. If in 10 years the real owner has not tried to enforce their rights, assert ownership, they forfeit. Note that simply asserting rights in time ends the squatting - “I own this field but I allow you to use it until the day I choose to take it back” should mean you have asserted your ownership.

There’s the story of public walkways on private land in England where the owner closes the gate one day a year just to ensure it does not become public land…

Max Hastings is a respected writer? Really? Successful, yeah, but respected?

Adverse possession laws do make sense because there is a severe housing shortage in this country; leaving a property empty for 12 years and making no attempt to use it as a home (for you or any renters) is something that should be discouraged.

The health centre in our village used to do this every xmas day… locked a gate which was otherwise always open to ensure they retained the option of keeping it private.

Squatting is becoming a big problem in the U.S. too. There’s so many empty foreclosed houses. People just move in and live for as long as possible. It can be a real headache getting them out. Usually its the neighbors that alert police that someone is squatting in the house.

I could understand if a squatter took possession of a house or building that had been empty for years or condemned for destruction but in the case of the article I linked it was simply a house being prepared for sale, these people moved in illegally and the police refused to arrest them. I can appreciate how it could get complicated but in my mind (and apparently the letter of the law) the police should have locked up everyone who was trespassing in that house but did not. This is hardly the only case I’ve read about…in fact I see it so often I had to make this post to try and understand why the police are reluctant to clear up the situation. A few arrests like this and squatters will stop trying to do this. As it is they are setting a dangerous precedent by allowing immigrants to think this is an accepted and relatively risk free process.

And FYI, I’m well aware that the daily mail is considered a “rag” but I can’t keep myself from reading it…call it a naughty gossip weakness. :slight_smile:

You know what, if I haven’t even cared enough about it to say “hey, just by the way, that’s actually mine” for the last twelve years, you’re very welcome to it. Twelve years is a bloody long time. If I haven’t needed it in over a decade, I never will. Have at it.

I simply wouldn’t believe anything the Mail says. Sometimes it writes things in a way that. when you read more closely, you’ll realise they were combining truth and fiction, or they leave out pertinent facts, or deliberately don’t research things so they can claim ignorance of facts which disprove their claims, and sometimes they just lie.

The Mail would have you believe that going away on holiday puts you at risk of squatters moving in and you not being allowed to get your home back, and that’s not even close to being true.

The Daily Mail headline generator is supposed to be a bit of fun, but I swear the Mail has actually started using it for ideas.

Hell, even the News of the World was better than the Mail in terms of truth in reporting.

And that’s your decision.
Now, why should you get to tell me when my possessions expire?

Because they paid the taxes on it for a decade and it’s their property just as any other item is someone’s property.

Real estate has long been considered to be subject to a different kind of ownership than other things. Actually owning the land is called “allodial title” and is something that generally only governments do. Normal people own “estates in land” in “fee simple”, which is essentially a package of rights to use a parcel of land subject to some encumbrances, &c.

The point is, real estate is not someone’s property in the same way that an XBox is, which is why you can have things happen with real estate that don’t happen with chattel property.

They will have paid very little tax on vacant properties. Properties vacant for six months are exempt from council tax, and we don’t have any other property taxes (at least, not just for living in a property).

England is overcrowded. Way overcrowded in some regions. A person’s right to own a property is not more important than another person’s right to have an actual home, at least not when they don’t bother doing anything with it for twelve years - they don’t even have to move back in. Twelve years is a generous amount of time for someone to remember that they own property.