Indeed, I dream of a day when my children will live in a world where we hate all poor people equally, regardless of the color of their skin.
While this is a completely inaccurate summing up of what I’ve been trying to say, it definitely made me laugh.
They’re remarkable people, the Blacks; musical, very athletic. Not very good swimmers.
I do already. But I’m pretty enlightened.
I thought crime was proportionate to poverty.
Do I need to cite the fact that blacks are disproportionately victims of poverty?
So how can crime be proportionate to poverty, and white people commit crimes in proportionate numbers to black people, AND crime be proportionate to poverty, AND blacks be proportionately more poverty-stricken than whites?
The dangerous thing about getting past racism is that if you’ve convinced society to treat a group as equals, but then that group misbehaves disproportionately, then you’re dealing with reality rather than racism, which is then liable to return back to racism–and a lot harder to fight this time around.
But still, if someone is talking about reality, regardless of whether it’s focused on a particular group of people, it’s not racism. One can say, “This McDonalds has an overwhelming number of poverty-stricken members of the community, who are also disproportionately engulfed in ‘gangsta’ subculture. With both of these factors being disproportionately linked to criminal and belligerent behavior, the area can be deemed comparatively unsafe.” But, you’re still saying the same thing. Taking twice as long to say it and making everyone’s eyes glaze over in the saying doesn’t make it any more nor less accurate. And since you’re saying the same exact thing, it doesn’t make it any more nor less racist. No one’s fooled that because you haven’t actually said “black people” that you aren’t talking about black people. Yes, there may be poor white gangsta types, but you’re talking about a 1 in 10 thing. You may as well admit that a McDonalds full of poor gangsta types is synonymous with a McDonalds full of black people.
You can never fight the battle you want in a meaningful way if you ignore reality. Pretending that black people are having a harder time of escaping poverty and are more liable to turn to crime than people other races just means that you won’t try and find the causes of it, and means that it’s liable to stay as it is until racism returns. Personally, I can’t say that I want that.
No it doesn’t, at all. It describes a group of people that attacked and beat a 70 year old woman for $20 in change as animals. There’s absolutely no reasonable reading of the quote in context that could imply what you stated.
Yeah, but in the next post he goes on to say this.
Holy fuckin’ shit. The first and third quotes in the OP are beyond defending. If anyone wants to debate about whether there is a higher crime rate among blacks because of poverty, I suggest to do it in another thread, because this board doesn’t recognize enough nuance to have it in the same thread as that crap from Stan Shmenge or Markxxx.
The real interesting question, from my POV, is how Stan Shmenge feels about Latinos, in Burbank, and elsewhere.
I recall him calling out the Burbank PD for racism against Latinos. I believe he has close friends who are Latinos, and he would never speak of them in the same way he speaks of blacks. He lives in the Burbank area (as far as I know) but he still has a Midwestern sensibility, where blacks are the villains.
Many people in So Cal have same views towards Latinos. Some of this is obviously racism, and some of it is an inevitable result of bad experiences.
I work in an office in LA Co. with 9 other people, and everyone besides me has had a bad experience with violent crime committed by Latinos. Burglaries (it was Latinos on the security camera footage), muggings, home invasions, armed robberies, relatives killed by Latino drunk drivers, cars totaled by Latinos with no insurance and so on.
Growing up in the DC area, stories about muggings would always make me cringe, because chances were the perp was a young black man. Here, the perp is almost always going to be a young Latino. Yeah, that does make things somewhat easier. Not pretty, but it’s true.
When I’m out about doing field work for my job, white people, especially older folks, will complain bitterly about “those damn Mexicans” who “ruined Burbank,” or “ruined the San Gabriel Valley”. They expect me to agree, because many black folks feel that way, I guess.
Obviously, it’s best to deal with people as individuals, and recognize thugs as what they are, scum, rather than designated representatives of their ethnic communities. But it simply isn’t possible for people not to notice that in DC, almost all of the street crime is committed by black folks, and in Burbank, almost all of the street crime is committed by Latinos.
I simply regard everything as racist.
That’s anti-racist racism.
My humble and heartfelt apologies to all racists, some of my best friends are racist. Wait! No! Damn - too late. :smack:
Hey Diogenes:
Who said that?
I don’t know why I’m bothering, because I know you’ll post some sophistry about why what you said wasn’t what you said, and I’m not interested in reading it.
But there it is.
Sorry, but “correlation” does not mean the same thing as “proportionate.” Try a dictonary next time. Don’t try to argue about words if you don’t know what they mean.
Cite for bolded please. Because that’s the kind of bullshit WAG-gery that just gets past through as public wisdom because certain types of people just do not get arrested for the same offenses as other types. Racism proves that racism is justified. Brilliant.
My opinion, of course, is that Stan Shmenge is an asshole, with a gigantic ego.
Also, based on his quotes in there, he is almost certainly racist, but not the “Dig out the sheets, it’s cross burning time” but of the “Well, bless your heart, look at you doing well at school! It’s that nice! (martha, go count the silver real quick)” sort.
Certain types of people cannot get arrested for the same offenses because they do not commit them.
I am not saying skin color is a factor, but if you get away from the big cities alot of the crime problems disappear.
Is someone making the claim that there are as many white muggers in rural areas as there are black muggers in the city?
Or that there are as many black muggers in rural areas as there are white muggers in the city?
Or that there is an equal amount of muggers of either color in the city?