Yet another useless, empty thread in GD. Does that forum even have mods? If someone wants to start a debate they should at least be required to offer an opinion or facts or cites or debating points, rather than a silly, open-ended question.
This is one fat and happy troll; we’ve only ourselves to blame.
It’s nice to see somebody stand up for ol’ Shodan.
The gist of this being that people in the colonies were able to produce finished goods at a lower price than in England. They were ahead of the mother country. Paul Revere’s most revolutionary act wasn’t to ride through the streets in the dark of night, it was to have the audacity to make knives and forks.
Because the funds will come from the private sector! You don’t have to nationalize a business to seize it’s assets. You can tax it out of business, you can suck so much of the consumer dollar away to government that people can’t afford to buy goods, all these programs involve spending huge amounts of money. Sooner or later, unless we default on our obligations, the piper must be payed in terms of interest payments and, God forbid, paying off the principal. Instead, Obama’s plan is to balloon the principal owed beyond our capability to borrow, which is going to be curtailed by the market, so he is a guaranteed fail at that plan.
Here’s a cite, not from WND, but from the people who bring you the New York Times:
The Shaw was not hunky dory, and as we all have seen, the new fundamentalist regimes turned most of the oil money over to the people. Oh wait, they didn’t? Maybe that is why most people in Iran hate the current regime and Assminijahd is on his way out.
Just to nitpick, but George III was born in 1738, making him 38 when the Declaration of Independence was signed, and he didn’t really have an attack of porphyria until 1788, so he was at that point, neither confused or old.
Why do I not believe you would describe Bush losing an election as the result of “people hating the regime”?
Yes, but isn’t porphyria hereditary? So it’s not something you catch later on. And I believe he had earlier instances-though if they were around the revolution, I don’t remember.
As for old man, well, he and Queen Charlotte WERE breeding like rabbits-that probably aged him a bit. 
At any rate-I don’t think he was a villain. No king back then would have willingly surrendered such a large chunk of his territory. (However, like I’m said, I do think it was right to revolt.)
Well, there’s this and that about that. Like most of us, I grew up thinking that the American Revolution had total popular support, and it pretty much did by the time it was over, the British making such assholes of themselves. But best guess I’ve read said about a third of us were rebels, a third “loyalist” and about a third wished everybody would just shut about it, already.
So, I know the stories about Tom Paine and Johnny Tremaine aren’t strictly true. Fuck it, gonna believe 'em anyway!
Way to address approximately 1% of all the points made in that post (as well as “refute” points that were not made). You are really “great” at debating.
You, sir, are the kanicbird of politics.
I think I love you.
Well, first of all, people aren’t sure it really was porphyria. It may have been, and at least one of his descendents (Princess Charlotte of Prussia) suffered from a form of porphyria, but we don’t know for sure that that was what he had. There’s another theory that he suffered from arsenic poisoning. Arsenic was a fairly common ingredient in medicine at the time, and non-lethal doses can lead to mental illness, and it can especially exacerbate mental illness in people suffering from porphyria.
At any rate, whatever caused his mania, except for a brief episode in 1765, he was healthy until the 1788 attack (although suffering from symptoms of stress, like insomnia and weight loss).
The 50s called: they want their ideology back.
Ooh, that’s even worse than calling him the **C **word!!
The Shaw was extremely hunky dory! (And if he’d had a bigger boat, he’d have gotten that damned [del]Ayatollah[/del] shark. Mr. Blue was truly “A Man for All Seasons”.) The Shah, not so much.
PALATR dude, PALATR.
CMC fnord!
And no, it’s not just a fucking typo, the W and the H ain’t nowhere near each other. Plus the post your quoting has the correct spelling and no one who knows anything about Iran, it’s history, and/or the Shah would make that mistake.
Don’t even get me started on the pshaw, whose gibberish is about as intelligible as the subject’s arguments.
Um, Bush didn’t lose the election, McCain did.
Whatever…
Wow, you really are implacably stupid, aren’t you? Well, we all have our cross to bear. Liberal Dopers must bear the burden of Der Trihs; conservatives have you. Too bad the two of you can’t go off by yourselves so the adults can have a serious discussion.