The ending gave me a reaction, it felt so out of place I’m wondering if it was studio interference. I wonder how people would have felt about the movie without the “hey guys we are going on a five year mission!” ending, it doesn’t even make sense in relation to the movie we just saw! So after all that devastation hey guys go take the flagship and go muck about in deep space?:smack:
I think the movie should have left that off, maybe even left Kirk’s resurrection to the next movie. As far as I can tell Earth and the Federation in this universe are in deep shit at the end of STID.
1.Section 31 is wiped out.
2.Most of the Federation brass and higher ups were killed.
3.The Klingon Empire almost certainly is aware it was Star Fleet, or at least some hoomans who invaded their space and killed their patrols. They aren’t going to take this well.
4.That mega sized Fed ship is gone, along with the advanced weapons. San Francisco and Starfleet has been badly damaged. Not to mention all the lost resources building that mega ship.
5.Just what in the hell kind of story did Kirk and the others tell about what happened?
6.The Vulcans are dealing with their own issues and will not be able to help.
If I had my way the last scene or stinger would have been a bunch of Birds Of Prey entering the solar system, unnoticed due to the devastation of Sec31 and Starfleet. If the point of these movies is to explore an alternate path to TOS, having the Fed/Klingon war go from cold to hot should be interesting.
there’s no guarantee the others were genetically engineered the same way, or would have the same properties. They know Khan’s blood will work, so why take chances?
The start of the five year mission happens after a speech from Kirk where he mentions the death of people “nearly one year ago”. So there is a time gap to consider.
Only about 40 people from Section 31 died. Damaged, yes. I don’t know if I would call it “wiped out”.
Only some of the Starfleet brass are killed. One imagines an organization the size of Starfleet can absorb such losses. Many got out, including Kirk and Spock. One lady was shot and her thigh was on fire. If it was alt-Janeway, one can only hope she didn’t make it.
The covert mission to Qo’noS was done in Mudd’s ship without Federation uniforms to give plausible deniability.
A society that possesses replicator technology and has solved world hunger and poverty can presumably rebuild any lost starships given time. Hopefully they have a few copies of the starship blueprints laying around and realize that it’s not a binary choice between ships of exploration and military ships – it is possible to build both at once, dontcha know!
A story in which they come out looking like heroes. The victors invariably write the history.
Just the ending seemed tacked on? The entire movie, including what passed for a plot, seemed to be globbed together from a bunch of different ideas which may have stuck to a wall at some point but in no way formed a coherent story. As a retooling of The Wrath of Khan (cleanly the best of the ‘classic’ Star Trek films) it misses the essential point of the film, which is that all of the reckless actions and mistakes that Kirk made in his career in Starfleet catch up with him, and threaten the people he cares most about. And there was absolutely no reason to waste the characters of either Khan or Carol Marcus on this atrocity of a film; any generic villain and love interest would have done.
I would argue that J.J. Abrams is one of the worst writer/director/producers working in mainstream film today. His movies are nearly as incoherent as a Michael Bay robot-fest, without the attendant boobage. I positively cannot wait to see what an utter hash he makes out of the Star Wars sequels.
Something else that occurred to me, is there any explanation for the appearance of Chronos? It looked absolutely nothing like anything we’ve ever seen before set on the planet, especially since they were supposedly in an uninhabited wasteland.
Instead it looked like a post apocalyptic megapolis with towering buildings, I’m guessing the shattered moon was Praxis?
I remember after the first movie some deleted scene explained that Nero was a captive of the Klingons for decades, anything like that this time around?
Why would Praxis be shattered in this continuity? In the original timeline, that doesn’t happen until far later in Kirk’s career (three months from retirement of the Enterprise-A).
This is one of the fundamental problems I have with Abrams’ “alternate time line”; it borrows enough from the existing continuity to appear familiar, but then changes it in ways that are inexplicable and really unnecessary. I would go so far as to say that there really is no contiunity in Abrams’ films: he’s not building a story universe; the entire plot (what there is of it) is just a tenuous excuse for almost random action set pieces which are poorly framed and presented in a confusing fashion as if written and directed by a group of eight year old boys.
I could honestly give fuck-all about Star Trek continuity per se; I just find it offensive that so much kudos is given to such a shoddy, thoughtless cinematic product.
Sorry about that; I was seeing it with an old friend I didn’t feel like I needed to impress, so I didn’t bother to do up my hair.
Unless you mean Kronos, the Klingon homeworld?
And the ending was about the only part that made sense. They’re sending Kirk and his crew of loose cannons on that mission to get them out of their hair for five years, so whatever trouble they get into (and you know they will) is far away from the core of the Federation.
Uh, okay. Do you disagree? Do you find his films well constructed with thoughtful plotting, developed characterization, and having deep insight into the motivations that an actual person who is not a hack screenwriter might have? Are they films that are internally consistent with surprising and yet reasonable twists. Does Abrams make movies that are interesting and appealing to anyone above the maturity level of a hyperactive 11 year old boy?
reaction, it felt so out of place I’m wondering if it was studio interference. I wonder how people would have felt about the movie without the “hey guys we are going on a five year mission!” ending, it doesn’t even make sense in relation to the movie we just saw! So after all that devastation hey guys go take the flagship and go muck about in deep space?:smack:
If the point of these movies is to explore an alternate path to TOS, having the Fed/Klingon war go from cold to hot should be interesting.