I’m not saying he becomes all sickening sweet and cloying and root beery (like the Federation). But when he was frozen world domination might seem achievable. There’s one, fractured world out there for him to know and do his act upon.
Suddenly, he wakes up 300 years later and there’s a galaxy out there to deal with. It’s much larger. Too large for one - rational - being to dominate through force of arms/will. A more subtle and long-term approach is required to achieve that sort of power. It’s a disappointment to me that Khan couldn’t see that.
Plus, given a chance to rewrite and re-motivate a character as iconic as Khan? Especially when it contradicts oldSpock’s advice? That would have been brilliant. And hard for a writer to NOT go for (at least my sort of writer).
I think the problem with the idea of a “Good Kahn” is Kahn is not a good person. He is arrogant, narcissistic and sociopathic. Had “Space Seed” gone differently and Kirk dropped him off on a Star Base he would have probably schemed there to take control of the Federation.
Yeah, there’s “evil and self-serving, looking out only for one’s own interests regardless of the effect on others”, and then there’s “I’m going to twirl my moustache and betray everyone and everything just because I’m the villain and that’s what villains do”. The former is generally much more interesting than the latter.
I had planned to not see this movie because of the way Abrams raped the franchise with the last one. Now I’m really not going to see it. SWMBO’s gonna be pissed as well.
Except he’d been bred and raised to believe he was superior to all non-genetically enhanced humans and it was for the best that he rule them.
That said, in Space Seed, he’s hardly evil, it’s the death of his wife and twenty of his men that pushes him over the edge. Similarly, Marcus pushed him over the edge by threatening his crew.
I think you need to rewatch “Space Seed”. Kahn lies early on and starts scheming almost immediately to get information and take control of the ship. He manipulates Marla McGivers to this end.
You can make a case that he got a raw deal on Ceti Alpha V afterwards and was driven insane by those events but even when first meeting Kirk and the Enterprise it is pretty clear he is not a good person in bad circumstances.
But in this story it only makes sense for Kahn to kill Kirk and the Enterprise after Kahn gets his crew back. Leaving Kirk and company alive will only create potential problems for Kahn in whatever he plans to do.
Can anyone explain to me why Chris Hemsworth’s name appears in the credits of ‘Into Darkness’? ‘Star Trek 2009’, I understand - he played Kirk’s father; but when did he appear in ‘Into Darkness’?
Yeah, and Jennifer Morrison as Winona Kirk as well. Maybe there was a deleted scene that featured them in a flashback and they just forgot to take the names out?
Yeah, and “Mother” and “Father” in The Princess Bride. Since the King and Queen and the little boy’s mother were listed separately, I’m presuming that Buttercup’s mother and father were originally slated to appear in TPB (as they did in the book) and were cut.
There apparently WAS a daydream sequence in ACS involving Flash and Ming with Ralphie and his BB gun, but that got cut.
I think maybe I heard their voices in that blackout scene right before Kirk woke up?
Also, damn, Mr. Abrams. You just strapped on those wax wings and flew directly into the sun, didn’t you?
“Hubris? What’s hubris? Is it a shower gel? Do I bathe in it?”
I loved the movie, but I can see why the traditional Trek-folk might be disappointed.
Also, if you have a character whose first name is ‘Khan’, and last name is ‘Singh’ … maybe don’t hire the whitest actor in all of creation to play him. (I’m a big fan of Benedict Cumberbatch, but I thought he was kind of wasted in the part - there really wasn’t all that much for him to do.)
Some are speculating that Section 31 gave him a little plastic surgery to alter his appearance and make him more convincing as “John Harrison.”
Which makes sense. I mean, if you’re recruiting a rather notorious historical figure you don’t want to take the chance that there just might be someone to recognize his facial features, do you?
Just saw it today. Like the reboot movie, it was fun. It did not really make much sense, and the ending felt as if they were like “oh crap, we’re at two hours, gotta end this.” Khan gets beaten up on a futuristic dump truck? That’s the climax? But it was fun.
I agree with one thing: this was a missed opportunity to set Khan up as a terrible villain in a future movie.
I disagree with the idea Cummerbatch was a good Khan, to the extent that I am wondering what movie you people were watching. He was a terrible choice, utterly unsuitable for a role that was poorly written. (Why would be introduce himself as Khan? His name is Khan Noonian Singh.). I’m sick of “skinny British serious guy” as the go to villain, especially for a guy who’s supposed to be, you know, Asian, and really should LOOK more physically imposing. He did his best, but he was not the right actor.