Sure I can. I’d enjoyed Iron Man 3 just a few days prior. It didn’t suck (and yet is full of plot holes and semi-stupid things. It was fun, it didn’t suck. Star Trek wasn’t and did.
I’m still shaking my head over the fact that 76 Photon torpedoes the biggest baddest weapon Star Fleet has can explode inside the hanger deck of the Killerprise and not only does it not turn the ship into atoms, or fuck it up so bad it burns up on reentry. The damn ship can still maneuver and hit Star Fleet.
Thinking about JJ Abrams ST films reminds me of Richard Jeni’s Jaws 4 bit.
Did they actually say they had time to arm all of them though?
I don’t know, all the WOK references just seemed shoehorned in. I remember when Cumberbatch was first cast, Gary Mitchell was being tossed around as a possible villain, and I think he could have worked just as well, if not better. Cumberbatch looks more like Mitchell than Khan, the altered Mitchell could have superblood and be even more invincible.
Too late now I guess.
no, they armed one. that went off and triggered the others. the ship was very disabled. khan was able to get it to san francisco because it was built to be manned by one person if necesssary.
wonder who came up with that little scheme? and what he may have been thinking.
I enjoyed Iron Man 3 as well. But I think it is a much worse movie than Star Trek and I didn’t enjoy it nearly as much.
No, what Shatner actually said was to move out of your parent’s basement, kiss a girl and get a life. 
Apparently I’m one of them. 
Yep, if it’s not a continuation of a near-fifty year series. If it is, it’s not unreasonable to see it in the light of the history.
Even without that, though, it’s not a great film, but it is a decent action film, and not the worst sci-fi film so far this year (hi Oblivion). It’s not Trek, though.
I’m sorry but I can watch a laundry dryer for 2 hours of action. They talk in this thing, and the stuff they say, makes no sense. If it wasn’t Star Trek, I’d be bitching about it.
That’s it! That’s the alternate ending to Big!
(we need a “runs away giggling madly” emoti…)
It’s not overanalysis. It’s called thinking. Intelligent people tend to think about things.
And, seeing as you jumped into a thread where you knew we’d be analyzing the film, and are belittling both us and the topic…
If you don’t want to participate in a discussion, don’t – but don’t call the people participating douchebags. That is threadshitting.
Do not do this.
twickster, Cafe Society moderator
I did kind of like the final battle between Spock and Khan. The running chase was good, showing all the other people almost standing still compared to those two, who are physically superior. The fact that Vulcans are much, much stronger than humans isn’t used much in ST, so it was good of the writers to realize that Spock was the only crewman who could last long fighting Khan. It was sort of a superhero scene.
On the other hand, why didn’t Spock have any help before Uhura arrives? He had communications, and they were among a friendly population. Even in the middle of a huge disaster, there’d be plenty of redshirts happy to help apprehend the guy who caused all the destruction.
For that matter, how do two ships have a battle and begin to fall out of Earth orbit without anyone on Earth or in orbit doing a single thing about it? This is a very space-aware place.
One other continutity bit: McCoy mentions delivering Gorn children. How did he meet that race that shouldn’t be encountered until Cestus III? Maybe it’s explained in the video game, which I haven’t played.
Lastly, Abrams is too enamoured of spectacle. I know that it’s one of the cool things you can do with SF, and it would be wrong to avoid it entirely. But I saw it in IMAX 3D, and he totally overused this-will-look-cool-in-3D camera angles and situations. Also, having a lens flare floating in air is weird-looking.
No really. It’s called suspending your disbelief. It’s a movie. I watched it. I liked it. I don’t need to analyze it to death.
Perhaps I am the simpleton here, but the plot was understandable to me. I don’t understand the need to pick apart every scene or dialogue.
I’m really not trying to threadshit. I saw the movie and liked it. It’s a movie based on a campy TV series (which I love!) and set a few hundred years in the future. It’s just a movie, and I was essentially wondering why people need to take it any more seriously than that. Some things don’t make sense? So? It’s a movie?
Do you get upset when Buster Keaton is left all alone to run a train or when Forrest Gump can apparently run for hundreds of yards at full speed carying someone maybe twice his weight, and then do the same for another 10 or 12 people?
It’s a movie. That’s all. Sorry. I don’t get the over-analysis!
It was understandable to me too. It was still stupid.
I don’t think you are thread shitting. I enjoyed watching the movie. I don’t enjoy thinking about it afterward.
It is great mindless entertainment. But when I think of Trek, I don’t think of it being mindless.
But don’t you think that coherence and making sense can contribute to one’s enjoyment of a movie? I mean, it’s not like I had to restrain myself forcibly from enjoying the movie and then struggle afterwards to pick the nits I want to see—it’s completely the other way around: I watched the movie and didn’t enjoy it as much as I hoped I would (though much more than the last one—not sure if that means the movie was better, or just that my expectations were already lowered this time; perhaps I’ll love the next one), and am now naturally wondering why that was the case.
You seem to want to argue that my lack of enjoyment solely was my fault, either that I went into it seeking to find reasons not to like it, or that I ought to have ‘suspended my disbelief’ more than I did. But it’s not on my responsibility to make myself enjoy a movie no matter what; I enjoy a movie, or I don’t. And my appreciation of the movie may differ from yours without that implying that I’ve done something wrong, that I am over-analyzing things or taking them seriously. Just because you enjoy something, doesn’t mean everyone else has to, as well!
And that doesn’t render your enjoyment in some sense invalid: it’s completely possible to enjoy, say, a McDonald’s meal even if there are people that despise this sort of thing and seek something more haute cuisine (I do that myself). But that doesn’t mean everybody has to.
I had exactly the same reaction. I didn’t like the earlier film much, but I hoped that this one would be much better and I really, really wanted to like it. However, almost every scene had something so jarringly “off” that I felt pulled out of the movie. Every five or ten minutes I was experiencing a “WTF” moment, starting with “WTF? The Enterprise is a submarine now?” I understand suspension of disbelief, and I can tolerate a few plot holes and logical lapses, but Abrams was throwing them in my face like a kid with an endless supply of water balloons.
I also had the weird feeling that Abrams grabbed a discarded “Mission: Impossible” script and just changed the names – changed the character names to Star Trek characters, changed the exotic international locations to alien planets, etc. Of course I know he didn’t really do that, but for a movie set 200 years in the future it was oddly un-science-fictiony. It was two hours of explosions, fistfights, people running and shooting, more explosions, more fistfights, etc. There was none of the sense of awe and wonder that I associate with SF.
What baffles me the most, though, is the intense reaction I’m hearing from people who did like the movie. I was discussing it with some friends the other day, and they became absolutely LIVID when I started talking about things in it that didn’t make sense. Their reaction was “We don’t care about the plot holes! It’s a fun summer popcorn movie! Stop being a dick and SHUT UP about the plot holes!” I can’t figure out why this movie is inspiring such fierce and emotional loyalty.
I don’t understand it, either, but I also don’t understand someone who would take a look at people who are deconstructing a movie and in outrage shout, “Get a life!”
Um, I have a life, a successful one by anyone’s standard, which I enjoy very much, thank you. And this includes enjoys deconstructing and reading deconstructions of movies, Star Trek especially.
Big deal.
nerd rage is nerd rage, be it on one side or the other.