Star Trek IV minor nitpicking

[Cartooniverse]

@simster

Archimedes’ principle

Archimedes’ principle is named after Archimedes of Syracuse, who first discovered this law in 212 B.C.[2] For more objects, floating and sunken, and in gases as well as liquids (i.e. a fluid), Archimedes’ principle may be stated thus in terms of forces:

with the clarifications that for a sunken object the volume of displaced fluid is the volume of the object, and for a floating object on a liquid, the weight of the displaced liquid is the weight of the object.

From WikiPedia-

I would say that the Whales would be defined as “floating”

I just need to say here that quoting Archimedes of Syracuse on the Dope may be one of the cleverest things I’ve ever read here. And I’ve read Jillgat and Eve. This is up there in terms of clever. And amusing.

[Ethilrist]

@runner pat

Most likely, it hasn’t been known as Alameda since The Eugenics Wars.

Or, they haven’t had nuclear wessels there in so long that they didn’t remember where they were kept.

[simster]

@Cartooniverse

I just need to say here that quoting Archimedes of Syracuse on the Dope may be one of the cleverest things I’ve ever read here. And I’ve read Jillgat and Eve. This is up there in terms of clever. And amusing.

uhhh, thanks?

what is Jillgat and Eve ?

[Raguleader]

@simster

uhhh, thanks?

what is Jillgat and Eve ?

Shaka, when the walls fell!

[Robot_Arm]

@Cartooniverse

I just need to say here that quoting Archimedes of Syracuse on the Dope may be one of the cleverest things I’ve ever read here.

It ain’t Archimedes of Flatbush.

@Raguleader

Shaka, when the walls fell!

Sokath, his eyes opened.

[astro]

[quote=“Morbo, post:1, topic:567554”]

Don’t get me wrong - I love this movie. Watching it again, I noticed some really minor things that I thought I’d share. I’ll forgo the obvious geographical errors, since they’re obvious. (And since I’d already noticed them).

[list]

[li] How the hell did Sulu get that helicopter? Did he just happen across the most trusting military mechanic in the US? [/li][/QUOTE]

How do you think? That’s right, a little hot, sweaty “swordplay”.

[Cartooniverse]

@simster

uhhh, thanks?

what is Jillgat and Eve ?

Two rather clever Dopers.

[Tangent]

What do they have to do with simster stating Archimedes’ Principle? Were you being sarcastic?

[phxjcc]

@Osiris_the_1st

Surprised no one has mentioned the fact that a doctoral level whale biologist and assistant director of the institute is giving tours. I think that there are probably better uses of her time. You don’t see Bill Gates giving tours at Microsoft.

1. As far as the internal footage of the Enterprises destruction, I figure the Enterprise had a black box like present day Airliners. The external footage? My fanwank is that the BoP automatically transmits data back to Klingon Command, or how about SFC subpoenaed the footage.

2. Meh. I can easily let this go.

3. Spock’s clothes that he wears into the tank are visibly wet. You ca clearly see that the is not wearing the robe in the water, and is seen putting it back on after he gets out of the Tank.

4. Maybe while Scotty was programing the compound he entered the name as well. (It wouldn’t be a new element, possibly an alloy, but that was a molecular structure which would tend to rule that out, I think.

5. Never important for me either. I always assumed he “borrowed” it some way or another.

6. Never bothered me. At that point the dilithium crystals were still functioning at a rate where it wasn’t a problem. Power consumption didn’t seem to be a factor in how quickly the crystals were failing.

7. Maybe he’d only had synthehol beer previously. But I kind of agree on this one.

8. Stuff like this is often changed from reality for the screen. I think the majority of movie goers would let this slide by without noticing.

9. See above.

10. Movie physics. The cloak makes the ship softer maybe?

11. Treknology only does what it needs to do to further the plot.

12. Meh.

13. He’s an alien. Who knows his sensory acuity.

14. Who’s to say there wasn’t more to the story afterwards. I know there was at least one novel following this up.

15. The film of the whale models and actual whales was good enough that the filmmakers got in trouble for breaking some law that had to do with how close you were allowed to get to them, until they demonstrated that the shots of concern were models.

16. Maybe it was a refit of a recommissioned starship. There is generally a shakedown cruise after major refits.

This stuff is why I love reading the SDMB!

Indeed.

This thread is why I love reading the SDMB.

Just to be clear on the transparent aluminum thing…please: someone?

Was he material that they brought back and used to construct the aquarium plexiglass that was bartered for by providing the guy with the formula for transparent aluminum?

Until a previous SDMB thread on ST IV, I always thought that it was transparent aluminum that they somehow manufactured after Scotty gave them the formula.

Thanks.

[simster]

@phxjcc

Indeed.

This thread is why I love reading the SDMB.

Just to be clear on the transparent aluminum thing…please: someone?

Was he material that they brought back and used to construct the aquarium plexiglass that was bartered for by providing the guy with the formula for transparent aluminum?

Until a previous SDMB thread on ST IV, I always thought that it was transparent aluminum that they somehow manufactured after Scotty gave them the formula.

Thanks.

They are using Plexiglass - 6" thick - that Plexicorp had in stock.

Scotty gave them the formula - “it will take years to understand it”.

[carnivorousplant]

I imagine that beer from three hundred years ago probably tasted very little like Bud draft; three hundred years in the future beer will probably taste differently than it does now.
I don’t believe that there was synthehol (sp) in Kirk’s era. Romulan ale and that green stuff were real enough.

[Chronos]

In the Next Gen episode with Scotty, he was very surprised (and disgusted) by synthehol.

[Ethilrist]

@carnivorousplant

I imagine that beer from three hundred years ago probably tasted very little like Bud draft; three hundred years in the future beer will probably taste differently than it does now.
I don’t believe that there was synthehol (sp) in Kirk’s era. Romulan ale and that green stuff were real enough.

Well, I’d wager that Budweiser will taste almost exactly the same three hundred years from now. However, it will taste vastly different from anything an admiral would buy to stock his fridge.

[simster]

@Chronos

In the Next Gen episode with Scotty, he was very surprised (and disgusted) by synthehol.

[QUOTE=Scotty]
Laddie, I was drinking Scotch a hundred years before you were born. And I can tell you that whatever this is, it is definitely not Scotch.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Scotty]
Never get drunk unless you’re willing to pay for it - the next day.
[/QUOTE]

[cochrane]

@carnivorousplant

I imagine that beer from three hundred years ago probably tasted very little like Bud draft; three hundred years in the future beer will probably taste differently than it does now.
I don’t believe that there was synthehol (sp) in Kirk’s era. Romulan ale and that green stuff were real enough.

Wasn’t synthehol invented by the Ferengi? And I believe that Picard was the first Federation officer to make contact with them. And nevermind that one Enterprise episode. Although synthehol could probably have been obtained on the black market in the 23rd century.

[robert_columbia]

@sirfelgar

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16. At the end, Starfleet has created a new Enterprise, 1701-A, which seems to be heavily based on the earlier design that was 30 years old. Now, the ship appears to have been built in about three months or so following the destruction of the 1701 in ST III. That’s pretty darn quick. Also, aircraft carriers like those of the Nimitz class may have operational lifetimes of 50+ years, but the 1701-A was decommissioned only seven years after it was built. Seems like an incredible waste of time, esp. since the new Excelsior class had already been around for a few years.
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@Zebra

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The Excelsior had not been around for years. The events in IV take place only shortly after the events of III. And the Excelsior was just going out on it’s shakedown cruise.

It’s quite possible that people thought that the Constitution class ships were still worth having and making in IV, but that something changed in the future (maybe the Excelsior turned out better than they thought, or maybe Starfleet got a big budget increase and decided to pump it into making better starships (e.g. more Excelsiors) instead of using their limited budget to make new ships from an older and simpler design (Constution refit), and a decision was made to accellerate retirement of Constitution class ships)

[running_coach]

@robert_columbia

It’s quite possible that people thought that the Constitution class ships were still worth having and making in IV, but that something changed in the future (maybe the Excelsior turned out better than they thought, or maybe Starfleet got a big budget increase and decided to pump it into making better starships (e.g. more Excelsiors) instead of using their limited budget to make new ships from an older and simpler design (Constution refit), and a decision was made to accellerate retirement of Constitution class ships)

What budget? Kirk said they don’t have money in the 23rd century.

[carnivorousplant]

I think they took another Constitution class out of mothball and renamed her.
The DS9 ship was replaced with one formerly named San Pablo, a tribute to The Sand Pebbles.

[SirGalahad]

I don’t remember the specific exposition where the “trade” for Plexiglass happened, but I’ll take you-all’s word for it. What get’s me is: Why did they need a transparent bulkhead? It seems that it would have been easier to waterproof the light fixtures and install closed circuit cameras to keep an eye on the whales in a flooded compartment. Did they really need to make a clear viewing window for their temporary “aquarium”?

[carnivorousplant]

@SirGalahad

I don’t remember the specific exposition where the “trade” for Plexiglass happened, but I’ll take you-all’s word for it. What get’s me is: Why did they need a transparent bulkhead? It seems that it would have been easier to waterproof the light fixtures and install closed circuit cameras to keep an eye on the whales in a flooded compartment. Did they really need to make a clear viewing window for their temporary “aquarium”?

It may have been the easy for them to work with and quickly available.