So, are you like a hologram?
(Dropping Geek Guise)
Heck, it probably depends upon when the episode was written and who wrote it.
Think of it as Little Joe getting married; good for one plot and then forget about it. 
More evidence for money in Star Trek:
[li] “We can’t destroy it, but I’ll bet you credits to navy beans we can put a dent in it.”[/li]-- acting C.O. on the bridge, in that classic Trek Halloween episode with the wizards on the planet.
[li] The prevalence of gold-press latinum on Deep Space Nine. It ain’t just Ferengi that use the stuff.[/li]More evidence against money in Star Trek:
[li] “We have eliminated all want and need.”[/li]-- Captain Picard, “The Neutral Zone” (1st season TNG)
[li] “Economics work somewhat differently in the 24th century.”[/li]-- Captain Picard, ST: First Contact, in response to being asked how much the Enterprise cost.
Which must have struck Saavik as strange when she was taken prisoner by Klingons in the very next movie. (Granted, Kirk gave this sage advise to a different actress…) I agree with Gargoyle that this was mostly Kirk bluster (or bigotry). It is also possible that Kruge & Co. in ST3 were renegades, not beholden to Kirk’s notions of Klingonity.
Conversely, it appears that Worf is hyper-Klingon (deep psychology there, folks). Example, in “Hide & Q” he refuses to drink a toast with Q, which Q attributes to the “rigid Klingon code: Drink not with thine enemy.” It is this code which Worf tries to uphold in “Redemption II” when his brother goads him into drinking with their enemies – which apparently is okay.
I wonder if ST:Enterprise will make any reference to the United Earth Space Probe Agency (Kirk’s boss as of “Tomorrow is Yesterday”).
The script for “Broken Bow” has the characters refer to Star Fleet on several occasions. Don’t know if this is a blooper which was hopefully caught before filming or not.
Sir Rhosis
Looks like not. I have read the entire teleplay for the Enterprise pilot episode, “Broken Bow,” and – at least in the draft dated May 1, 2001 – there is no mention of UESPA. It’s “Starfleet” all the way.
Starfleet also gets mentioned in some of the on-air promos that UPN has been showing.
To be fair, there are a couple of different references to the agency Kirk & Co worked for in TOS’ original season, before the producers made up their minds: UESPA is mentioned twice; Space Fleet Command and Starfleet Control each are mentioned once. This is one of those instances where I really can’t get too annoyed at Berman and Braga for throwing their hands up and deciding to go with the name that’s been most consistently used.
I considered using that as an example, but then I figured that Saavik II, Johnny Slash and Li’l Spock were more like bargaining chips, since Reverend Jim only captured them to force Kirk to give up Genesis.
(All together now: “YOU! KLING-on! BAS-tards! You KILLED! my SON!”)
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Well, they called themselves “renegades” but the truth was they were just too STUPID to be allowed anywhere near the front lines. The Enterprise is deserted, there’s a calm computer voice intoning in monosyllables…hel-lo!
Their demon dog was pretty cool, though.
The communicator thing: he could’ve just been absorbing the communicator into himself; I don’t think he’s actually FORMING the thing. Of course, having a communicator floating about in you probably has problems itself…
As for the other point, I don’t know if this is canon or not, but I seem to recall seeing/hearing/reading that the other 'shifters took on this form as a form of solidarity with Odo, to show him, “Hey, we’re just like you, and we respect you, even if you don’t know how to 'shift as well as us” kind of thing. 'Course, that doesn’t answer why, say, the assassin Odo killed took on that form right before he died, for example…
Oh, and about gold-pressed latinum; it’s canon, I believe, that it’s one of the few materials that, due to its molecular structure, can’t be replicated, which is why it’s used as a form of currency, much like diamonds today, I suppose…
I’ll risk a slight hijack with the observation that one of the amusing points with the post ST spinoffs (STNG, Voyager, DS9) is how transparently contemporary liberal moralizing and touchy feely notions straight off the analyst couches of Marin County absolutely pervades the stories when dealing with alien ethical or social dilemmas.
“You’ve been at war with the ZORGS for centuries eh? Gosh you just need to be more sensitive to each other’s pain.
Kumbaya! Problem solved!”
astro wrote:
Is Marin County, California, really that well known for having lots of psychoanalysts?
I ask in all seriousness, because, I, well, er, I actually saw a kind of an analyst in Marin County for a few years, who saw patients out of his home.
– Why no Warp Torpedos? Just get a Photon Torpedo out of the tube and have it kick in to warp drive in the direction of the thing you want to destroy. Can’t fail.
– They can clearly transport people on and off of any point in the ship w/o any problem, so why have a transporter room? Is it just a ruse to get the annoying Irish guy to stay in a room by himself all day?
– Everyone clearly knows how to play with gravity (inertial dampeners, etc.), so why don’t we see any gravity weapons? Why can’t they just transport an artificial gravity generator right next to a ship and turn it on, sucking it in instantly?
VarlosZ wrote:
According to the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual, photon torpedoes do indeed travel at warp speeds.
In fact, remember the pilot episode of ST:TNG? “Encounter at Farpoint”? Remember when Q was chasing the Enterprise at warp 9+ ? The Enterprise fired photon torpedoes out of its aft torpedo launcher at the Q field to “blind” it temporarily while the Enterprise separated its saucer section. It fired these photon torpedoes while travelling at warp 9.7!
Why, if the Enterprise’s transporters were not functioning (in ST:TMP) did Kirk have to be ferried to the ship in a small shuttle vehicle from the station in orbit? No transporters on Earth or in the station? Also, when the transporter malfunctioned (a neat scene), Kirk tells the originating point (Earth or station?) to boost their signal when thru out the series, transporters were used without any help from a sending or receiving station. What gives?
And the TOS episode when the ship is accidentally thrown back to the late 1960’s. The story was full of holes (such as beaming the pilot back into the cockpit of his plane as he is being beamed out, thus making him forget everything that transpired. He was still being beamed into a plane which was about to be torn apart by the tractor beam, so why not just shoot him?)
And the TOS episode (I think it was "The Naked Time) when the ship is thrown back in time (after “cold starting” the engines IIRC). They realize they are travelling back in time because the ship’s chronometer is running backwards. How does the chronometer know???
Sorry, just realized the last 2 points in my previous post weren’t contradictions, just points that really bugged me.
I believe I have read that there is a Star Fleet - but no UFP.
Not sure how this works as Star Fleet is supposedly the military/exploratory arm of the Federation.
I suppose it’s what the space exploratory organisation of Earth is called and this is carried over to the UFP. After all Capt. Archer works for somebody.
Also stop telling us about <i>Broken Arrow</i>!
Spock wants to prevent his return until it becomes known that the pilot’s son plays a role in the first mission to Jupiter; it is then determined that the time line will be screwed up if he does not return.
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*Originally posted by Gartog *
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Hey there bucko, according to Capt. Picard Star Fleet is not a military organization.
Marc
Yeah yeah, and Roddenberry said in the first season ST:TNG writer’s bible that Star Fleet was an exploratory organization, and that it was certainly not a military organization, no no no no.
Which explains why we have people referred to as Admiral, Captain, Commander, Lieutennant Commander, etc., who are bound to take orders from their superiors and who sometimes patrol the Romulan neutral zone.
Gah. Star Fleet has got to be the most military “non-military organization” I’ve ever seen!
A minor gripe, but one that has always irritated me… in TOS they made certain aspects of Vulcan civilization very clear - they were an entirely homogenous society and Spock was viewed as a weirdo by many of his fellow Vulcans, all males were tagged with names beginning with S (Spock, Sarek, Ston, etc.) while * all * female names began with T (T’pau, T’pring, T’lon, etc)but with the advent of the movies (Saavik) and Voyager (ugh) all this seemed to have been scrapped in favor of PCness or some other abberation. As I said, its minor, but its my beef.