carnivorousplant wrote:
Ummm – no, it didn’t.
The Reliant was nowhere near the “lifeless planetoid” when the Genesis Device went off. By that time, Khan had chased Kirk away from the planetoid and into the Mutari Nebula.
The Genesis Device must have formed the Genesis Planet out of the material in the Nebula. (I have to wonder where that star came from that the Genesis Planet was orbiting, though.)
I’ll be damned. I met the man around '87 or so, shook his hand, and didn’t notice this at all.
I’ll be damned.
Maybe it was the whales?
Mike Wong discusses this on his website, Stardestroyer.net. Scroll down to the third category. Some quotes…
I know. I’m a nerd.
During the opening of the original Star Wars at the Chinese Theater, my dad was across the street. He was cleaning it because he had a job as a street cleaner at the time.
On topic, I agree that the “starfleet != military” thing is dumb.
Oh shit! I was reading some old threads and forgot about it, so I accidentally posted this.
Sorry.
The star in the Mutara nebula is sort-of visibile in a few shots, including when one of the two ships has a binding light behind it. Stars can exist in nebulae.
As for the money bit in the pizzeria scene of ST4, the exchange was more like:
Gillian: Let me guess; you don’t carry money in the 24th century?
Kirk: Well, we don’t.
The impression I get is that Kirk knows what money is, but that actual currency (i.e. coins and notes) has fallen out of use. I can imagine everyone carrying around some kind of bank card and when transactions occur, one person transfers “credits” from one card to another.
Now, for my completely ridiculous theory regarding Klingon head patterns:
The natural appearance of a Klingon is the “turtle”, but sometime between Enterprise and TOS, the Klingons will abandon their aristocracy and set up a government resembling, frankly, 20th-century communism. Part of the fanaticism of establishing physical and social unity will involve Klingons having their individualistic skull-ridge features surgically removed. Possibly not all Klingons will agree, but desirable positions in the military are only available to loyal “party members” who have undergone to procedure, hence any spacefaring Klingon will have the more smoth-skulled appearance.
Sometime between TOS and the first movie, the pseudo-communism will begin to collapse (to be finished once-and-for-all by the Praxis disaster), the traditional aristocracy will be re-established (at the midpoint of this transition, women could serve on the Council - by the time of TNG; they could not) and the alteration surgery will fall out of favour. Klingons who had had it done will have it reversed (hence, the appearance of the three old Klingons who resprised their TOS roles on DS9). This pseudo-communist period is considered a shameful period in Klingon history. Hence, they do not talk about it.
The problem was that TNG’s Enterprise crew didn’t know about the symbiont because the Trill hadn’t told them about it, because they figured (rightly enough) that the Feds would have been too squeamish about it. As a result, if he got transported, the biofilter (the part of the transporter that blocks out parasites and infections) would have said, “Dang, that’s one big parasite” and left it behind, thus “curing” the Trill of his infestation.
Which begs the question of what the TOS-era Dax did back in the day…
The last post in this thread before this unintended bump was from September 10, 2001.
Interesting, what?
Given that the Klingons are clearly established as aggressive and imperialistic (which they themselves don’t deny – at most, they’ll explain it as a necessity as in “Day of the Dove”), it would hardly have mattered if they’d been greeted with a red carpet and an all-you-can-eat gagh buffet.
I remember one heinous offense on Voyager - I don’t recall the exact plot, but I think The Doctor goes bad for whatever reason. At the end of the episode, he pushes a crew member off a cliff and goes tumbling after her. The crew member is beamed on board somehow, all momentum completely ignored. And I think they’d explained earlier way back when that they couldn’t transport people who were moving anyway. Am I wrong?
Why are we posting on a 1991 thread?
Anyway the overarching dumb idea in and ST script was the Prime Directive. How can you tell stories of guys mucking around on other planets and then make it wrong to much around on other planets.
What were they thinking?
Why would momentum be a factor in transporting? Either you physically disintergrate an object, zap the particles to the final location, and reintegrate said particles back into their original orientation (at which point you’ve changed momentum by moving the partcles ina different direction); or you destroy the original and rebuild it a la replication (where there’d have been no original movement of the new item anyway)
Not sure how transporters work but I’m pretty sure it’s one of the two methods.
Actually, no, it isn’t. I’m not sure what’s canon, but they figured out a long time ago that transporting six people by “destroying” them would involve converting 600 lbs. of mass to energy, which would involve a “boom” of truly earth-shattering proportions… I think it’s more like ghosting an image up to the server, which isn’t actually an image but the actual body (I believe tachyons are involved), then re-imaging it in the desired location, which, technically, leaves a copy behind on the server, but not a viable one, because there’s some essence to a living creature that transporter technology can’t create, except for that one time…
boom [head exploding]
There was a ST book written called “Probe”. I didn’t read much of it, but apparently the makers of the probe had more in common with the whales then the human-like beings, which they regarded as “mites”. That’s about all I caught from what little I read.
As for the 2nd paragraph, I want to know why Starfleet egineers insist on routing plasma vents right behind the instrument consoles. If something goes wrong with my computer, my keyboard doesn’t threaten my life.
Well, from what I rememebr, the cure invovled strapping Paris to a table in egineering and pumping him full of some special particles straight from the warp core. I’m not sure you could easily do this with a shuttle.
The rest of your argument still stands, though in retrospect, the infinite improbabilty drive would have been much safer.
…and the momentum…?
I’m not so sure about that. In Devil in the Dark, either Kirk or one of the Miners mentions something about the mines making a profit.
Unless things have changed so much that in the future, Profit in mining operations no longer has anything to do with money. If so, I’m sure all the miners work and face such dangers for the sheer satisfaction for working in a hole in the ground on a crappy planet all day.
Let’s see. In some of the Early TOS epsiodes, The behavior of the crew was suspiciously like that of a comtemporary Navy vessal, not to mention much of the terminology.
David Marcus even outright says that starfleet is the military.
And of course the fact that starships often have quite a few weapons, and even in TOS operated in Fleets(Rememeber Sulu bringing the fleet in Errand of Mercy?)
In Star Trek: The Motion Picture, they did show a toperdo being fired while a ship was at Warp.
So we know they can go at warp, which makes you wonder why they don’t take advantage of that. Rather hard to dodge a torpedo going that fast, don’t you think?