Pandering in Star Trek? Please supply seven to nine more examples.
Remember to season yourself properly first, please, and set the alarm on the oven timer so I know when to come get my Corner-case-steak.
Yes, but there’s good pandering and bad pandering. Or to continue my adjectival usage, there’s too pandering and sufficiently pandering.
Sufficiently pandering: OK, the Talosians and Vina need to try harder to tempt to Pike What if she were to take on the form of an exotic dancing girl!
Too pandering: Let’s throw in a gratuitous boffing with a green chick, because everyone knows Kirk boffs green chicks. (But nearly the entire movie takes place on Earth or Federation star ships.) Who cares! The geeks will go nuts! (OK, and we can actually do a better job with the makeup than they did on the original series.) Nah, who cares about that? Just slap on some green paint and a Ronald McDonald wig.
One green girl advances the plot and reveals character while appealing to our baser instincts, one does not.
Panda? Hoshi?
Indeed. And that’s why this thread has so many more posts than LotR threads. If this were a LotR thread, those posters would have started a completely new thread to ask their question that’s been addressed a dozen times already in the thread they didn’t bother to read.
And that’s why there are so many more LotR threads than ST threads. Probably. I’m actually too lazy to check.
I explained it thusly this weekend to someone who hadn’t seen the film yet, but was under the impression that everyone loved whatshisname’s take on Scotty, and how could anyone (i.e., me) take issue with it:
Every time Scotty showed up on screen, I was vaguely waiting for the soundtrack to start up with wacky sax.
… I’m not entirely sure it didn’t do so during the Augustus Gloop tubes scene, actually.
Take that back! This instant, or I’ll tell Thor about you peeking at Sif in the bath!
Hoshi was not pandering. She is a princess, and one day soon she will be mine.
Shouldn’t his lower digestive tract crawl up his throat and do that for us? (If I remember that line from the guide correctly, I probably haven’t, but then the film cut it a bit short too.)
And yeah, this thread reminded me of my disappointment in the green Orion girl. The two from TOS (only two, weren’t there? Vina and Marta) and even the one from TAS looked better than what the makeup artists (I use the term loosely) in the new film came up with.
Still, Scotty was treated a lot better than Gimli was by their respective film outings. I’m not sure why there was a switch from Chekov as comic relief, especially since the actor who played him made him seem so young.
Am I the only one who doesn’t really care about the Orion women, but thinks the Orion men were hot?
Wasn’t that only shown in Quantum Trek?
Well, and the cartoon, where at least some of them were blue.
Yeah, that’s right. Giant spacefaring Smurfs.
Wasn’t there an Orion guy in “Journey to Babel”, or do we never see one out of disguise?
Perhaps you are thinking of the Andorians.
Eh? It’s been a while, but the plot of “Journey to Babel” revolves around an Orion disguised as an Andorian, trying to break up the Babel conference with the aid of his Orion cohorts in a ship dogging the Enterprise.
I just don’t recall if we ever saw any non-disguised Orions.
I misunderstood.
Spock speculated Thelev was an Orion.
I took care to insert this information on the wiki page long ago.
Discounting the animated series, we never saw any until Enterprise.
Vulcans speculate? :dubious:
They lie, too. Beats me how the impression they don’t ever got started.
Heh. I read the wiki page trying to refresh my memory of whether we’d seen an Orion, and saw how that hadn’t been confirmed. But I couldn’t remember whether they showed the inside POV of the Orion ship – as they often did as in, say, Balance of Terror. Didn’t mention that on wiki, didja mr. fancypants wikieditor?
The Enterprise Incident: “I have heard of the Vulcan integrity and personal honor. There is a well-known saying, or is it a myth, that Vulcans are incapable of lying.”
The Doomsday Machine: "“Vulcans never bluff.”
The Menagerie: "- “It’s impossible, Jim; Spock is a Vulcan. He is utterly incapable of lying.”
Trek V: “I am a Vulcan. I am incapable of lying.”
Of course, he’s lying when he says that.