He’s exaggerating.
:dubious:
You forgot my favorite, from “I, Mudd.”
“Everything I say is a lie. I am lying”
I think Kirk says that.
Spock definitely, however, tells one fembot “I love you” and another identical fembot “However, I hate you.”
For “The Enterprise Incident” and “The Menagerie”, Spock is quite obviously being deceptive, despite the beliefs of nonVulcans that he couldn’t possibly be. And what better bluff is there than “[My people] never bluff”, said forcefully?
Somehow, this belief got picked up by later writers who accepted the meme without ever looking into it. Trek II’s “You lied / I exaggerated” is a cute exchange, but unfortunately shows some carelessness.
Spock says “listen very carefully: I am lying.”
Anyone remember what Tuvok says about pretending to be a Maquis?
Oh, Spock was going on about logic being a tweeting bird then.
Without reviewing the episode, I can’t be sure who exactly administers the “I am lying” coup de grace to Norman. On further reflection, I think Kirk and Harry Mudd close in on Norman during the episode’s climax and Kirk says everything Harry says is a lie, and Harry says “Listen to me carefully, Norman - I am lying”, and the resulting paradox blows Norman’s mind.
Mrs. Plant, famous convention goer and Trek expert extraordinaire informs me that Kirk says, “I’m lying”.
I stand corrected.
I’ve always taken Spock, Tuvok, or the Vulcan of the week saying they don’t lie either as a convenient myth that can be used to their advantage when they need to, or just mocking the idiots that believe it. Vulcans may claim cold rationality and aloofness, but it’s obvious that every one of them is as emotional under their facade as any human.
Well I heard it from the Minbari.
I am listening to it tonight.
Weiche, Wotan! Weiche!
Flieh’ des Ringes Fluch!
Rettungslos
dunklem Verderben
weiht dich sein Gewinn.
Yield, Wotan, yield!
Escape from the ring’s curse.
To dark destruction
irredeemably
its possession dooms you.
Am I right, or what?
I don’t remember these statements to WOTAN in Doctor Who and The War Machine 
As for the movie we were all ostensibly talking aboot…
My wife was actually able to stay awake and thought it was fun. It was a fun romp. Having previously read this thread I was able to just enjoy the movie and not nitpick it to death and destroy my own fun of it. But I love nitpicking too, so…
I got how Kirk was a rebel because he lost his dad. So it made sense when he chucked motorcycle keys at a stranger and took on a life where he thought he’d be in control. I liked the homage to the THX-1138 cops (at least that’s what it looked like to me). I just don’t know why young Kirk didn’t remember the strip mine where they get the stone for the starships they build. And it makes sense to build a ship on the ground since it’s so hard to launch that stone into orbit.
The Orion girl? I just thought, maybe, they ripen with age.
Destiny compelled sending Kirk to Spock’s planet Hoth, so that’s okay. And I figure Spock can find combustables buried under the ice. As for this planet, well, Uhuru in TOS asked about Vulcan romance under the moon and Spock responded, “Vulcan has no moon.” So in TAS Yesteryear they have this giant ‘moon’ that becomes Vulcan’s sister planet. So Spock gets marooned there. (sorry if this was already discussed)
Overall the only parts that were really jarring were the sparkly lights all over the ship, Scotty, Kobayashi Maru, and starship technology changes. Sparkly lights - Ugh. Scotty’s character looked too short and felt a bit too manic. He sounded okay, the pet needed to go, and the Gloob Tubes were stupid.
The Koayashi Maru was supposed to be where Kirk changed the test to be winnable, not a joke. He should be put on report for that (and he was about to be), and given a commendation for original thinking if he just made the test winnable. I guess the loss of his dad makes him more rebellious.
What was most jarring was just that Nero came at Kirk’s birth and his small influence changed the entire look and feel of how a starship is built. Tone down the glare, keep the halls from looking like Disco-On-Ice, and get rid of just a few engineering pipes. That would be nice, but I just can’t get over how 25 years could change TOS to THAT (The Hubris of Abrams Treatise).
But I had fun and I would look forward to a next movie.
Intensive scans of the pointy pinecone from 150 years in the future could have given them lots of ideas on how to make their ships harder, better, faster, stronger.
“pointy pinecone” … you mean Spock? 
No, Spock’s shipped arrived 25 years after the events of the beginning of the movie, after the Enterprise was built.
I thought the explanation for the more advanced tech was that this timeline is the same as Star Trek: Enterprise.
Or perhaps “the ships were always like that, the budget just couldn’t support it”. 
You know how painters and drywallers put up transparent plastic sheeting and drapes to cover things while working. Perhaps, for the entire 5-year mission, the decorators just forgot to remove the paint shields from all the walls and consoles. It really looked like that for all of TOS but they saw the glare when they took off the first panel and hastily put it back saying that it gave them headaches. They lef the panels in engineering because everyone kept banging their heads on the overhead pipes.
The “pointy pinecone” is the Narada, which the Kelvin would have scanned as it was being attacked, and presumably would have uploaded this information to its escape pods. Spock’s ship, the Jellyfish, is the “keychain ornament”.
Enterprise is in both continuities.
It is to weep.
:smack: I’ll just go in the corner and observe for the rest of the thread.
My head assplode!
I like Roger Ebert’s interpretation of the new look for the ship: the Enterprise was built in Vegas (or some such–I’m paraphrasing. And it might have been the New Yorker critic, not Ebert. Gah!) :smack:
Carry on…