Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Seen It (Assume Spoilers Within)

Chronologically, I’ll accept it. Watching the film, I didn’t get a father/son from them at all and part of that was either Han looked too old or Ren looked too young. But that was just my impression – if no one else felt it, I’ve no desire to try to make them think so. Maybe it comes from watching the original Star Wars as a kid – I was four when it was in theaters so I’m sure everyone over 12 impressed as ancient to me. I might think of Han Solo as older than he actually would be.

I didn’t have an issue with Ren Kylo (who my wife and I kept accidentally calling Rilo Kiley) being young or whiny or throwing fits. I figured he’s new at this and trying to prove himself and all that and he’s semi-unique in the whole “has the Force” thing so the Neo-Empire takes what it can get. I did think that paring him with someone who looked way too young to be commanding the army was a mistake since the joint effect made it look like amateur hour.

What was the deal with the Mega Death Star? Was that a planet they hollowed out and turned into a ship or did they build a ship and decide that it needs snow-capped mountains and pine forests? Did it draw power from the sun or did it actually “consume” the sun it was using and then go off looking for new stars to eat? I thought the latter but my wife thought it just drew off the sun and the the sun was setting. It looked as though it left a new star in its place when it exploded.

Speaking of, why the name change? I mean, it’s still an empire, right? Is it? Who’s in charge these days? They turned a planet into a star eating death cannon – I’m guessing they still have a lot of space resources and planets and stuff at their disposal.

I assume everyone recognised Simon Pegg when his cameo appeared? Haven’t seen anyone else mention that anywhere (though I haven’t been looking very hard).

Daniel Craig is also a storm trooper, I believe.

I don’t think that one was actually true, though if it was it might be the one with the weird zappy-swordy-shieldy thing.

He’s the one who said, “I’ll tighten those restraints, scavenger scum,” when she tried to mind trick him.

Ok, but Adam Driver isn’t Han Solo’s son, Rylo Ken isn. Actors don’t have to be exactly the same age as the character they’re playing…

Heck, Mark Hamill was 25 when STAR WARS came out.

Who was the old dude Poe meets and gets the map from in the beginning of the film? I felt like he was supposed to be significant (perhaps from the prequels) but then he died so that was that.

…and also drop his weapon. :smiley:

Han Solo has been my favourite fictional character since I was 9 years old. When this scene happened I literally started crying. Like sobbing and tears streaming down my face right there in the movie theatre.

After 33 years … I feel like I’ve personally lost a loved one.

Right, but there’s no galaxy (not even one far, far away) where Kylo Ren is young enough to be Han Solo’s grandson.

I think Rey is possibly Luke’s daughter as well. That seems the obvious assumption. (But then who is her mother? And why would Luke not keep her close? Abandoned on a sandy planet without even a crotchety uncle? Not trained in the Force? Could Luke ever be so cruel and foolhardy?) Maybe if he didn’t know she existed, I suppose. A much smaller possibility is that she’s Kylo Ren’s sister or half-sister that Leia neglected to tell anyone about because she done fucked up the first kid so badly, the second is better off growing up away from all this corruptible Force stuff.

I also think there’s a fair chance she’s no relation to Luke or Leia, and is instead a descendant of Palpatine. There did seem to be a certain sexual undercurrent between Rey and Ren, which wouldn’t get a chance to play out if they are cousins. I see a sort of Rey, Ren and Finn triangle possibility for future plotlines.

All in all I really enjoyed the film. Harrison Ford was great. BB8 was adorable and I want one. Lot of throwbacks to the original films, but in a “history repeats itself” sort of way, not a “lazy screenwriter” way.

It was as good as I was hoping it’d be.

I’m still processing. I thought it was really good. Better than I&II for sure. I’m pretty sure it edges out III, and maaaay approach Jedi. Not up to par with New Hope and Empire, but that might be asking too much.

I agree that the mirrors of the original may have been a smidge too far. Specifically, ANOTHER “death star”?!? with ANOTHER weak point that fighters can take out once the shields are down? (Though using the name Starkiller was cute, and it did actually fit, since it killed stars to work.) Another Cantina scene was a bit eyeroll-y too. But at least Ren didn’t reveal his parentage with “No… I am your son!” as I’d feared. But we are talking Myth here, and mirroring things is a part of myth telling. Before the son had to save his father. Here the father tries (and fails) to save his son. That’s not cheesy, it’s structure, and I like it.

There were also a few too many coincidences in the plot (finding the Falcon by accident, of all ships in the galaxy, the ground splitting right between Ren and Rey, BB8 finding Rey, who seems to be connected somehow to the Skywalkers, etc.) But I suppose you can always handwave and say the Force is guiding things.

But there was nothing cringeworthy like much of the prequels, and I did enjoy the heck out of it. Acting was great, for the most part. It felt very much like the OT. Only thing that pulled me out of that feel was seeing Greg Grunberg pop up near the end. Dunno why, but recognizing him as that guy from Heroes reminded me that it’s a movie and not a galaxy far far away.

BB-8 was adorable, and I was fully expecting him to be the Jar-Jar of the movie, so I was very surprised to like him so much. I do love that there’s a woman front and center, poised to be the main hero of the trilogy, and not just a sidekick. (And she’s pretty awesome, to boot.) Some of the banter seemed a little too jokey at times, but I was pleased with most of it. A welcome return from the near-humorless prequel main characters, proving that you don’t need a useless comic relief character to inject comedy.

Yeah, this bugged me a bit too. Seemed like change for the sake of change, although with that speech near the end, at least they seemed to have a bit of a mission statement that might set them apart from simple imperialism. Likewike, why a Resistance and not a Rebellion? And why separate from the Republic? Wouldn’t the Republic have official defense forces of some kind?

Yeah… I was hoping for some explanation of that too. (also, where did this map come from in the first place, anyway?) IMDB lists his character name as Lor San Tekka, which only tells us a) he isn’t supposed to be someone we know and b) he’s not part of any family we know unless he changed his name.

Maybe another of Luke’s apprentices in hiding? (yes, even though he’s older, maybe he started training late. Luke probably did away with that whole, “they must be toddlers to start training” nonsense) He did know Kylo before his fall apparently, and knew his family.

How the does that freaking Starkiller thing work? How in the hell would you aim a freaking PLANET? Do they have to wait for juuuuuust the right point in the orbit and rotation to be pointed at your target and if you miss your window have to wait another revolution around the sun you just sucked up, changing the gravitational field in the entire solar system? and how do you move it to a new system to reload?

Harrison Ford is 73 years old; the concept of him having a real-life grandson in his 20s would not be unthinkable. There is indeed a eye-catching disparity between the age appearances of Han and Ren, IMO. It fits with continuity, but it’s still noticeable.

It’s easier to pick at things than to list good things. But, since I already did the former, I liked:

– They kept a “space adventure” feel to the movie which was part of the original trilogy and was lost in the prequels
– The moments of humor were pretty well set into the story without detracting from it.
– The new protagonists did a good job and took some aspects from the original trio without making it “New Han”, “New Leia” & “New Luke”
– Although some people disliked the volume of nostalgia drivers, I did like the feel that this was a galaxy at war for many years now with the abandoned equipment and stuff
– The opening was a nice call back to the first moments of Star Wars yet done differently. As the ship just kept moving and blocking out the planet, it was a cool effect.
– BB-8 was not annoying. I didn’t fall in love with him but my first thought seeing him (her? it?) was “Oh, boy, here we go” but those thoughts weren’t realized.
– I thought Han, Chewie and Leia were well used but not overused.

You know, that light saber she was swinging around? The one Obi-Wan gave Luke the first go round?

Sure, he could have a 20 something grandson, but not if he only started having kids within the past 30 years.

Y’all can put your calendars and calculators away. I said he “looked like” he should be Han’s grandkid, not that he should have been. It was just an off-hand way of saying there was a visual discrepancy in their age that seemed wider than father/son. You’re free to disagree with my initial impression while seeing them in the film of course but that’s what it was: an initial impression while watching the film. Going back after the fact with timetables doesn’t change that.

As it happens, Harrison Ford does have a real-life grandson in his 20s.

(And, technically, a son in his teens.)