Reexamining Star Wars 50 years later

For this thread, I’m focusing on the first trilogy, especially Episode IV:A New Hope.

I know it’s not exactly 50 years yet, but close enough for blaster fire.

Back in 1977, the look and feel of Star Wars seemed very futuristic, if space opera. I didn’t actually see the first movie in the theater, but by Empire I was all in.

Naturally as a young boy in the seventies and eighties, I fell in love with the characters, the adventure, the space tech. I collected the toys and analyzed the plot with my siblings.

What I wasn’t sophisticated enough to notice was how much the futuristic stuff was actually modeled on old tech.

Take the droids: C3PO was a human-shaped metal robot that walked and talked, a bit stiffly and without moving features. Little did I know that he was actually derived from the futuristic projections of a movie from 1927.

It makes sense that humans would prefer a robot that looks vaguely humanoid for regular interaction. And perhaps Lucas thought a more humanlike droid would work against the intended feel. Nevertheless, what we now have invented with robotics will have is leapfrog C3PO.

What about R2D2, the little intrepid droid that could? Certainly having different shaped droids for different purposes makes sense, and R2 is a story of mechanical Swiss- army knife of space vessels. But there really is no reason why she should be constrained to only speak in beeps and whistles. But what it does is make R2 seem more of a pet than a fully independent person, which is appropriate for a droid.

For contrast, think of Twiggy from Buck Rogers. They struggled to find a voice that worked.

The other droids in the movies are mostly eye-candy, used to demonstrate droids are commonplace and used for innumerable purposes.

Okay, what about weapons? The guns are a type of energy blast discharge rather than a solid projectile or a beam weapon. They have the energy feel for a futuristic look but at the same time are constrained functionally like bullets. More on this in the vehicles discussion.

That brings us to probably the singular iconic item of the series - the laser sword lightsaber. A sword for a sword and sorcery type movie, but with a twist to make it space age. And boy is the lightsaber concept fun. Of course the practicality of such a weapon really leaves a lot to be desired in a galaxy without the Force.

Imagine swinging that around in the gym. Heck, think about the newbies who get carried away before they master the force. A little too close and oops - there goes a leg.

Also take the fact that there isn’t a hilt, so blades can slide right down onto the opponents hands.

I’m reflecting on that training scene in the Falcon when Luke puts on the helmet and tries to deflect shots from a pulse droid. I hope Ben thought carefully about where to do that so he wouldn’t accidentally carve up a bulkhead.

That brings us to the Space vessels and their overall style. What seems obvious now in hindsight is how much they were designed off the look and feel of WWII airplanes.

Take the x-wing, a WWII fighter plane set in space. It flies like an airplane, it shoots like an airplane, it has a glass cockpit and flight suit like an airplane.

Now look at the most iconic space vehicle of all time - the Millennium Falcon. That wedged disk seems truly original. But look at that cockpit, derived from a bomber aircraft from WWII. Check out the turret guns that are human operated like turret guns on said airplanes. Now we know an automated laser cannon system works be much faster at targeting, and many more guns could be operated than the number of crew present.

All of these elements seem to be much less futuristic now that we are 30 years in our own future.

I wasn’t born yet when A New Hope came out. My dad showed me the originals on VHS when I was little (he was an obsessive home taper, and had hundreds of tapes with a handwritten catalogue of what was on each one, so I think he probably recorded them off of HBO or something) but I didn’t really understand them at the time. I think I might have actually seen Spaceballs first, and then not liked Star Wars as much because it wasn’t as funny.

First time I saw and actually understood was the theatrical rerelease in 1997, when I was 14, and it was a lot of fun watching an epic like that on a big screen. It remains one of my favorite movies to this day and I’ve since seen every single Star Wars movie in the theater (with the exception of Solo, which I still haven’t gotten around to).

It’s hard to say our Childhood really kinda sucked.

True. But this is the first time I’ve heard of R2D2 being referred to as ‘she’.

Twiki. Hated him.

My impression is that it was analogous to a katana.

What get me is that the droids seem to be sentient beings. If they are (and they do seem to be aware of their own ‘mortality’), does that not make them slaves?

Funny, but for whatever reason my wife recently wanted to watch the 9 movies in order. We both were in HS and saw the original one in the theaters. We have finished the first 6.

So far my impression is that IV is the only really decent movie of the 6, and even it isn’t that good. The acting really isn’t great - especially Luke and Han. And a lot of really weak jokes ending scenes. A lot of the fight/chase scenes seem to go on awfully long. Yesterday we watched VI - the final saber fight just wouldn’t end. And in both IV and VI, they sure seem to spend a lot of time flying around searching for that conveniently placed fatal flaw hole.

V is clearly just a transition between IV and VI. VI would have been so much better if so much did not take place on the teddy bear planet. And the versions we are watching are not helped by the added CGI beasts.

I know it is not your focus, but I-III are pretty much total crap. Just a ton of exposition trying to jam in the back history. IIRC, by the time VII-IX came along, I had had my fill of things Star Wars.

Not taking anything away from how amazing they IV was when it came out. IMO maybe the franchise was worth 3 movies, but after that, it just became a (very successful) exercise in repackaging the franchise for newer audiences and hardcore fans.

drags my old Jedi ass into the chat :wink:

I was 12 when Star Wars came out, and when we (particularly my cousin, who was my age) and I saw it in the theater, it blew our little brains away. And, obviously, 49 years later, it still has a hold on me.

@Irishman : you allude to this in your OP: it’s not really a science fiction movie, nor a science fiction universe; it’s “space opera,” it’s a fantasy story set in space, with wizards and swords. Bear in mind that George Lucas only started creating Star Wars when his original idea – doing a reboot of the Flash Gordon serials – failed, due to his inability to secure the rights.

In Star Wars, the “technology” is there to help set up the story, but pretty much none of it has any real roots in how actual spaceships, energy-based weapons, robots, etc. would really work – and attempts (often on the part of fans) to retroactively explain how that tech works in-universe are equally detached from real science or “hard” science fiction.

Which isn’t surprising, given that the climactic battle in the original film – the Rebels’ attack on the Death Star, which prominently featured those X-wings – was storyboarded and developed by Lucas and ILM using footage from movies about World War II dogfights, in particular the 1955 film The Dam Busters, which was a large influence on the structure of that battle – and even the shots and dialogue – in Star Wars.

IIRC, the lightsaber dueling in the first couple movies is mostly based on kendo - I.e., traditional Japanese swordfighting using bamboo poles, where one scores points by striking the opponent’s body in specific locations which would kill or dismember them in an actual swordfight. Having watched a few kendo matches on Youtube, it definitely has a similar feel to it, and the protective gear they wear kinda looks like Darth Vader’s armor.

Would a hilt even help?

A hilt made of cortosis would be able to deflect a lightsaber thrust, but cortosis is extremely rare in canon. The cross-guards on Kylo Ren’s lightsaber seem more practical.

I saw a post once that suggested that a truly savvy Jedi would just use his Force telekinesis to switch his opponent’s saber off.

There’s a lot that doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.

Luke is a lot more broken up over losing his martial arts instructor he just met a few hours ago than his aunt and uncle who raised him.

Leia never really spoke of her home world again after it was blown up.

How long exactly was Luke training on Dagoba? Obvious about the same amount of time Han and Leia and the others were running from the Imperial fleet and they never changed their clothes.

Why are the tow cables on the speeders a thing? When would you ever tow anything by speeding past it at 300mph and shooting it with a harpoon?

Per AI: ‘Star Wars snowspeeders have harpoons (tow cables) because they were originally modified T-47 airspeeders used for hauling cargo, allowing them to tow heavy freight.’

I mean, it’s a B-movie for kids, with a middling budget for the time, that managed to become WAY more popular than it ever ought to have been. If you go in expecting Shakespearian acting and an internally consistent universe, you’re gonna be disappointed.

(A New Hope had a budget of $11 million, which is about $58 million in 2025 dollars. In comparison, The Rise of Skywalker’s budget was $490 million, which in 2025 dollars is $617 million.)

I was 17 when Star Wars (no episode) came out.

It was the perfect movie. You’re immersed from the get-go in a universe that makes sense. Does it follow the laws of physics? Who cares! The characters act like everything is normal, so you buy it.

Sure solar powered ion engined fighters probably couldn’t get out of their own way. Are droids sentient? Do they seems to be constrained by any version of the laws of robotics? (because it has been suggested if you don’t have the first law, your robot will kill you the very first day.) They sure don’t seem to be.

But when you try to make the universe make sense, when you try to explain how this stuff actually works, you make it worse. Explaining the Kessel run, a question absolutely no one was asking for an answer to, was the most stupid thing Lucas ever did. Yes, including Jar Jar.

If Star Wars never had a sequel, it would be the best movie ever made, or that ever would be made. But now it has the baggage of the prequels and the sequels and the books and the expanded universe and who knows what else? Probably a greatest hits record of the cantina band. Oh,the holiday special!

I was 29 when the first Star Wars movie came out. I still think it is the best one. (I also think the first Harry Potter movie is the best one.)

My then boyfriend and I were both sci-fi fans and had been Trekkers from day one. We went to see Star Wars in the theater and went back to see it the next day. I’ve watched it several times on TV, too.

Certainly one of the best, and undeniably brilliant.

I lost interest in those. Likewise, all the HP sequels tested my patience. I saw all of them and read all but the last HP book.

I used the cantina tune as my mother’s ringtone on my phone. It kinda suited her. :wink:

If we’re talking about the 1977 movie, we should call it “Star Wars”.
The one where Han shot first.

The one that my friends and I knew nothing about (did they not run trailers?), but the news called it “A cowboy movie in space”, so we biked downtown and waited in a block-long line.

And it was a Sci-Fi movie with action! Keep in mind the only SF movie most of us had seen was 2001… I’d seen Silent Running.

Not a ton of fun … until Star Wars.

Reminds me of explaining what a big impression the Beatles made, by playing my kids the Top 40 (a lot of “Easy Listening”, Pat Boone and Petula Clark) before the Fab Four.

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Until their master gives them a piece of clothing…

They did, and TV ads as well. I’d seen the TV ads prior to going to the theater to see it, maybe a few weeks after it came out.

This was, I believe, the original cinematic trailer, though it clearly came out before the soundtrack music had been completed; the copyright on it says “1976,” so it predates the release of the film by several months.

The Doylist view of all of that stuff, of course, is that it makes the Star Wars universe more familiar to us, and more relatable.

The Watsonian view is that they’ve followed an entirely different technological history than we have: We shouldn’t be surprised that they’re way ahead of us in some areas and way behind in others, because that all depended on various accidents of history.

I was a 3 year old sitting in my father’s lap when Star Wars was in theaters. My memories of this and a couple of individual scenes are among my earliest concrete memories.

Nitpick: “A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away…”

It’s something of a retro future, the past reimagined as the future, thus the swords, the dogfights, the ageless trope of rescuing the princess (with a more modern twist that the Princess was a full heroine in her own right!), etc.

There are a metric ton of comments on how much of Star Wars was “inspired by/lifted from” The Hidden Fortress and Kurosawa in general.

In this excerpt from a 2001 interview, conducted for the Criterion Collection and available on our special edition of The Hidden Fortress, Lucas talks about the inspiration he took from the work of Kurosawa, which he first encountered in film school in the sixties.

https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/3102-george-lucas-on-akira-kurosawa

(It’s only a two minute video clip in the article)

Note, he discussed his admiration for Kurosawa, and that he saw and admired many of the films as a teen, and especially framing and structure. It’s not an admission, but others have pointed it out as well and quote Lucas on the subject (I’ve not had time to further research, just got home after four days of travelling, and family medical and technical troubleshooting, sorry!)

Which is a travesty given how awful it is

Star Wars and Rogue One are the only ones I love. The other movies have way too much kid stuff. When my friend and I went to see The Empire Strikes Back on opening day, we couldn’t get past Yoda being a Muppet who sounded like Gonzo the Great.